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Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by falcolas »

kodfodrasz wrote: post #31
mdekkers wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

also not inexpensive Isn't that what we pay them not insignificant amounts of money for?

You do not buy a perpetual support license with those OSes. The cost of those operating systems was for a given list of compatible hardware. Windows 7 support ended, Windows 8 support ended, and Windows 8.1 is no longer sold, but still supported (so security patches still arrive). Like it or not, I understand MS, as backporting and re-valdating anything is a huge cost. Been there, done that, although for embedded sys…

> You do not buy a perpetual support license with those OSes.

Well, when it come to Windows 10, I would say that yes, we are effectively paying for a perpetual support license. If Microsoft is comfortable throwing ads at me as a part of normal OS operation (and they are, and keep putting them in new locations I have to disable individually), I'm comfortable saying that I'm paying them perpetually.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by lossolo »

rincebrain wrote: post #39

This seems like they have enormous pressure from on high to make sure Windows 7 doesn't become another XP that they have to support for 15 years By Any Means Necessary. If circumstances were different, I might even be applauding them for taking strong corrective actions against another XP doomsday scenario, or for moving to rolling release, both of which seem like great plans. The reason I'm not is that Windows 10 fe…

I am using windows 10 from the release date and I had a lot of problems in beginning but seems that all of them disappeared with updates, I don't have them anymore.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by sqldba »

ionised wrote: post #82
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just Microsoft making a mess out of Windows. Third-party vendors are conspiring to ruin the PC platform. As often comes up in these discussions, I only use my PC for gaming. I've upgraded to 10, and downgraded back to 7 again, twice, just to make sure it really was that bad. (I downgraded both of my boys' PC's as well, just recently, because of strange problems they were always having.) Last time I updated m…

> Last time I updated my nVidia video drivers, I found I had to create an account with nVidia to get into the configuration options of the driver on my machine. I see a lot of people with this confusion between the NVIDIA Control Panel and GeForce Experience. You do not need to create an account of any kind to use the NVIDIA Driver Control Panel. You never did and hopefully you never will. GeForce Experience on the o…

GFE is garbage. I have a GTX10x0 (I forget exactly which one but one of the faster ones) and it insists that the 'optimum' settings for games are wayyyyyyy lower than what I use.

Like medium settings or something. I switch it to ultra and 4k and they work AOK.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by sqldba »

CommanderData wrote: post #35

Yesterday I received a Gigabyte Brix i5 and wanted to run Windows 7. The process was painful. The Brix has no USB 2.0 ports and no legacy USB in the bios - So keyboard and mouse were non functional. Presumably the ISO was built pre-USB 3.0 era. So I had to customize a untouched image with USB 3 drivers. Drivers had to be downloaded from Gigabytes website. All to learn that MS update doesn't work with Kaby Lake. Great…

> except to painfully block in hosts

Are you sure that's working for you? Microsoft ignores the hosts file for most addresses used in phoning home.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by jayflux »

tinus_hn wrote: post #81

Did they support running Windows 7 on these machines before? If so, denying people the support they paid for is a class action lawsuit waiting to happen.

No, afaik they have never claimed to support those cpus officially. I think up until this point it's been a "if it works it's a bonus" sort of thing

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by ouid »

josteink wrote: post #50
CommanderData wrote: post #35

Yesterday I received a Gigabyte Brix i5 and wanted to run Windows 7. The process was painful. The Brix has no USB 2.0 ports and no legacy USB in the bios - So keyboard and mouse were non functional. Presumably the ISO was built pre-USB 3.0 era. So I had to customize a untouched image with USB 3 drivers. Drivers had to be downloaded from Gigabytes website. All to learn that MS update doesn't work with Kaby Lake. Great…

> Yesterday I received a Gigabyte Brix i5 and wanted to run Windows 7. The process was painful. Allow me to rephrase that: "Yesterday I received quite modern hardware and wanted to run Ubuntu 9.04. The process was painful." Would you sympathize with anyone who made such a claim? I certainly wouldn't. Does anyone even remember its "cute" codename? Nope. It's that old. And Windows 7 is as old as Ubuntu 9.04. It's about…

Claiming that an operating system is obsolete because it is old is like complaining that hammers are obsolete because they are old.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by mdekkers »

vetinari wrote: post #84
mdekkers wrote: post #16

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bricking devices by Microsoft's friends Eh? What did I miss??

Not exactly bricking, but a habit that Windows 10 developed is to force install drivers, even if they don't work. I.e. it will install something, it won't work, do a rollback. Then, a day or two later, it will do it again, with the same package that didn't work last time. And again. And again. Of course, meanwhile, your computer is unusable while it does the install/rollback dance and as a bonus, it does unnecessary…

ah ok, yeah - so business as usual :) (...shuffles back to work...)

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by cptskippy »

jimmies wrote: post #72
josteink wrote: post #48

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> automatically downloading of Windows 10 by Microsoft and bricking devices Downvote for falsely claiming PCs can be bricked[1], even more so by simply using Window-update, which at worst might require a reinstall if the install is botched. [1] The definition of a brick is that something is now completely non-functional, beyond repair and thus "as useful as a brick". Something which can be recovered is by definition…

>bricking devices by Microsoft's friends I didn't say it bricked the PC -- but they literally did brick shit that gets plugged in to the PC. It's a binary blob that comes with windows update and it breaks your hardware, intentionally. http://hackaday.com/2016/02/01/ftdi-drivers-break-fake-chips... It is a brick, because (1) It was working before, it doesn't work now, (2) The hardware is fucked, you plug into another…

So it's Microsoft's fault that a vendor supplied drivers that were designed to keep fake competitor's devices from using their tech by disabling them?

Microsoft isn't doing code reviews of drivers and it would be outrageous to expect them to do so.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by jayflux »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #52
SilkRoadie wrote: post #42

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What is insane? Windows 7 is 8 years old. Windows 8 is 5 years old. Microsoft is still providing security fixes for what are essentially now legacy platforms. There has to be a cost in supporting these new processors. Windows runs on almost anything and the cost of testing updates across various platforms has got to be huge. I also think it is a great way to reduce fragmentation. Windows 7 is supported till 2020. How…

> Microsoft is still providing security fixes for what are essentially now legacy platforms. The article is about how they are explicitly not letting people download those security fixes. > There has to be a cost in supporting these new processors. To provide new support. There is no cost in letting the existing support that works just fine continue to run.

> The article is about how they are explicitly not letting people download those security fixes.

Well... to be fair this will only affect those doing new builds, not current builds already running supported cpus. If you're installing a new Kaby lake CPU on an OS that's outright saying it doesn't support it then it's at your own risk.

Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems

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Post by douche »

rincebrain wrote: post #39

This seems like they have enormous pressure from on high to make sure Windows 7 doesn't become another XP that they have to support for 15 years By Any Means Necessary. If circumstances were different, I might even be applauding them for taking strong corrective actions against another XP doomsday scenario, or for moving to rolling release, both of which seem like great plans. The reason I'm not is that Windows 10 fe…

If you can get it[1], install the Windows 10 LTSB (Long Term Servicing Branch) installation[2]. It has all the kernel-level improvements that make Windows 10 better than 7, without all of the bullshit that was sprinkled on top of the consumer versions of Windows 10.

[1] Currently seems to be restricted to enterprise licensing agreements or MSDN subscribers. Or other places...

[2] https://www.howtogeek.com/273824/windows-10-without-the-cruf...

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