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The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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Are you serious? It is largely a reaction to globalization and the refugee crisis.

This is such FUD. How would preventing US citizens from coming to the EU prevent African and Middle Eastern refugees to come to Europe?

I prefer a Middle Eastern or African to a Trump supporter. It's just too dangerous to let them in to spread their ideology. ;-)

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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there's around 12 million travelers* from the US to Europe every year, so if a ESTA-reciprocity is implemented, it'll bring around $180m of revenue to European immigration offices. * that's only counting leisure travelers, there might be many more business travelers?

How much will it cost to staff these offices and process visa applications?

ESTA is all electronic, the process would be automatic, I'm sure you can run it for less than $180m a year. It could be as simple as: Enter first name, last name, passport number, passport country, date of flights >>> Cool you have 90 days this year! or >>> You've stayed more than 90 days, please get a real visa.

If one gets denied the ESTA, like the US system he'd get refunded $10 of the $14 and if he stills want to travel, he would then have to show up to the embassy for a real, couple of hundreds dollars visa, similar to what today's countries who are not part of the ESTA program have to go through to visit the US.

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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What is going on in this world? I was reading news today that the parties on the right side of political spectrum are gaining ground all over Europe. US already has Republicans in power. Every country is becoming more nationalistic. What is driving this change? AFAICT there are no major issues that should have caused this.

> AFAICT there are no major issues that should have caused this. Populism and a perception that a more globally-connected world is concentrating the benefits of growth into the assets and control of a handful of individuals instead of "a rising tide lifting all boats." Also, the message that some politicians have been using ("trade agreements are evil!" "immigration is bad!" "the EU is making us abuse you!") has take…

> the message that some politicians have been using ("trade agreements are evil!" "immigration is bad!" "the EU is making us abuse you!") has taken hold

Or, perhaps, the dissatisfaction was there all along, and the politicians are merely exploiting the pain of a faction of the electorate. Humans are tribal. They don't become tribal overnight because a politician told them to do so.

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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Surely the U.S.A. (a 1776 result of the scientific Enlightenment responsible for every single improvement to human life, assuming that you don't want to be a disease-ridden illiterate peasant lucky to make it to your 30's) meets any reasonable categorization of a nation-state. 46% of Americans believe that humans were created in their current form sometime in the last 10,000 years by a Bronze Age deity fond of stonin…

[Citation Needed] I realize there are some folks with their head in the sand, but I've never once met someone who actually believed that and I'm not even coastal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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What is going on in this world? I was reading news today that the parties on the right side of political spectrum are gaining ground all over Europe. US already has Republicans in power. Every country is becoming more nationalistic. What is driving this change? AFAICT there are no major issues that should have caused this.

Nothing much. One interesting fact:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/nationalities-granted...

There is not 1st world country in the top10 for EU immigration other than USA.

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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The reason being that the US still requires visas from 5 EU countries: Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Poland and Romania. And "The EU says it notified the United States in April 2014 that it was not meeting EU visa rules, and had given the country two years to comply."

Also note that it's not binding, it has to go to the Commission first. And, again, it's been an ongoing dispute since 2014. But still probably a reflection of the times. (Note that the US Visa Waiver program is opened to countries that fulfil certain criteria in terms of (high) percentage of visa applications granted, and (low) percentage of admitted people overstaying. So, the US basically argues that they stick to…

That's really interesting. So you are saying the US is actually providing "equal treatment" but since each country's stats are grouped separately, some of them fall outside the requirements and lose out on visa waiver.

Of course if you grouped the stats for all of EU it would probably bring everyone in range, but it's hard to argue that would be the right policy for the US.

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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As others have stated here, this is largely a reaction to globalization and immigration issues that have been present in the world's view. Globalization has left a large portion of each country behind. Large multinational firms have moved a lot of their low-skill labor to cheaper markets and developing countries, leaving a large swath of former employees in their wake with very little perceived hope of finding anothe…

"In another comment section (Reddit, I believe) there was anecdotal evidence that visitors from Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Poland and Romania regularly outstayed their visas and were notorious for violating a tourist visa, hence the additional checks the US wanted to put them through." Well, what would you think if we said the same thing about US-americans (remember the term american is also from Colombians) from a n…

US Americans are just Americans. Only people who are incredibly pedantic think otherwise.

Re: The European Parliament votes non-bindingly to reintroduce visas for Americans

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As others have stated here, this is largely a reaction to globalization and immigration issues that have been present in the world's view. Globalization has left a large portion of each country behind. Large multinational firms have moved a lot of their low-skill labor to cheaper markets and developing countries, leaving a large swath of former employees in their wake with very little perceived hope of finding anothe…

> In another comment section (Reddit, I believe) there was anecdotal evidence that visitors from Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Poland and Romania regularly outstayed their visas and were notorious for violating a tourist visa, hence the additional checks the US wanted to put them through. I guess it was anecdotal evidence, because the data shows the contrary: - Bulgaria: 1.74% - Croatia: 1.08% - Cyprus: 1.35% - Poland:…

Using the visa refusal rate as an excuse sounds a bit like circular logic: "We're not going to give you online rubber-stamped visas, because we're currently not giving you many visas." I'm not saying that the refusals don't have merit, but since they are discretionary, the refusal rate may never improve. It's just the perception: "Those Eastern-Europeans seem dodgy to me, so we won't allow them because they'll surely overstay." Yet the reality is that they don't overstay so much.
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