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Re: The Other Half

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Post by JeremyMorgan »

tgokh wrote: post #36
JeremyMorgan wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very possible. In EMS I meet folks that have been in having a heart attack for quite some time, it's not always dropping down like a rag doll you see on TV (though many times it is). My dad did the same thing, one day he had some chest pain that he thought was related to something he ate. Drove a semi truck around for about 6 hours, decided to come home early. He came back to the shop, parked his truck and calle…

I'm assuming you mean people can be having an MI, or experiencing angina for quite some time, not actually in cardiac arrest

Yes, I edited it for clarity, because by definition cardiac arrest is the sudden stop of blood flow, where MI/AMI/Angina are more gradual. All are commonly called "heart attacks" but are quite different. Thanks for keeping me honest here.

Re: The Other Half

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Post by ashark »

matthewowen wrote: post #83
lkrubner wrote: post #70

Once again, the policy on headline titles for articles on HackerNews is a bit bizarre. The original title explained that the man almost died. This current title is "The Other Half" and does not explain anything at all. As a practical matter, the policy seems to amount to "We use the title of the original article, unless it is strongly stated, in which case we regard it as clickbait and change it to something dull." T…

Movie titles according to Hacker News: Man finds wife's head in box. Therapist of boy who sees ghosts is a ghost. Man who killed hero's father is actually his father. I get that you want more information, but sometimes getting the information makes reading something less pleasurable. The author here doesn't disclose the detail you're talking about until a third of the way through. Disclosing it in the title fundament…

Those are the best kinds of headlines for most informational writing. Look at a newspaper from the early 1900s. You can skim just the headlines in a minute and have a pretty good idea what's gone on.

EDIT: see: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/New_York...

Basically an unbeatable news consumption interface. Notice even the smaller headlines down the page, which are either independent lower-importance articles or minor articles related to the major ones above. You can read ~15-20 words on each the give you the basics of what happened, very quickly because it's called out in larger type and because the authors were competent and weren't trying to drive clicks, but to deliver value.

Re: The Other Half

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Post by tptacek »

lkrubner wrote: post #88
tptacek wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't work. The submitter of an HN story doesn't own the story; stories are community property. Submitting doesn't entitle you to choose for the whole site what is or isn't interesting about a story. If you want to do that, you write a comment, like everybody else. This is one of the oldest meta-arguments on the site. Once or twice a month, perhaps, we get a story that isn't particularly well served by the gui…

tptacek, I never suggested that the person submitting the article should have monopoly control of the title. My comment is aimed at dang. I suggest the default question to be answered in the title should be "What part of this article is interesting to the Hacker News crowd?" It's fine if dang re-writes all the titles, but why re-write the title to make it something dull or confusing? We've all seen cases where the or…

Ah, sorry. That's a more reasonable request. I shouldn't have responded so petulantly.

I still think it's not going to work out. There aren't many moderators, and fixing the titles on this site is a huge amount of work. For instance, it's also probably not reasonable to expect the mods to read every story on the site, or even just the stories with broken titles.

A thing you can do to help is, when an article has a title that doesn't follow the guidelines, suggest a better title. The mods often use those suggestions as the replacement title.

Re: The Other Half

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Post by dang »

canuckintime wrote: post #78
dang wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's the author's own title. That's significant, especially for so intimate and personal a piece. It's true that one can trade that off for immediate factual placeability, but on HN we prefer to make the opposite tradeoff. That's one of many reasons why the guidelines say "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait." ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html )

I recently saw a suggestion that there should be two titles: one that's the author's own title and a second that's the HN submission title (which could be identical if the HN submitter prefers so). Any opinion on the suggestion?

In my opinion, too complicated, and people would use it to editorialize.

Re: The Other Half

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Post by jrs235 »

lkrubner wrote: post #88
tptacek wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't work. The submitter of an HN story doesn't own the story; stories are community property. Submitting doesn't entitle you to choose for the whole site what is or isn't interesting about a story. If you want to do that, you write a comment, like everybody else. This is one of the oldest meta-arguments on the site. Once or twice a month, perhaps, we get a story that isn't particularly well served by the gui…

tptacek, I never suggested that the person submitting the article should have monopoly control of the title. My comment is aimed at dang. I suggest the default question to be answered in the title should be "What part of this article is interesting to the Hacker News crowd?" It's fine if dang re-writes all the titles, but why re-write the title to make it something dull or confusing? We've all seen cases where the or…

> My comment is aimed at dang.

Then please email him and the mods directly at hn@ycombinator.com

ADD: in order to keep a high signal to noise ratio. Comments on stories should be reserved for discussing the contents of the story, not meta issues with the forum. For meta issues either email the mods directly or start a meta thread with a Ask HN: post.

From the site guidelines[1]:

If the original title begins with a number or number + gratuitous adjective, we'd appreciate it if you'd crop it. E.g. translate "10 Ways To Do X" to "How To Do X," and "14 Amazing Ys" to "Ys." Exception: when the number is meaningful, e.g. "The 5 Platonic Solids."

Otherwise please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait.

Please don't post on HN to ask or tell us something (e.g. to ask us questions about Y Combinator, or to ask or complain about moderation). If you want to say something to us, please send it to hn@ycombinator.com.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The Other Half

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Post by xyzzy_plugh »

ginko wrote: post #81
pmarreck wrote: post #4

I sat on a "weird pain" in my chest for a few days. Basically it was uncomfortable to sleep on my left side, and I felt a bit short of breath. Turns out I was suffering from a double pulmonary embolism , and that the only reason I wasn't doubled over in pain is because by an odd fluke of nature, the interior of the lungs do not have nerve endings (only the exterior) and had I waited any longer I could have died. At t…

>Guys/gals... If there's any unusual pain in your chest cavity at all, just drop whatever it is you're doing and get it checked out. It might not even seem that bad at the time... it didn't to me and it didn't to Jason Scott... just do it. Yeah, but where do you draw the line? I guess that will sound silly, but I'm always afraid that people think of me as a hypochondriac if I ran to the doctor for every little pain,…

Doctors and cardiologists are used to false alarms. In fact, according to mine, cardiologists provide more diagnoses of pleurisy than pulmunologists.

If it could be a heart attack, or similar life threatening thing, you go to emergency.

Re: The Other Half

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Post by eatbitseveryday »

pmarreck wrote: post #4

I sat on a "weird pain" in my chest for a few days. Basically it was uncomfortable to sleep on my left side, and I felt a bit short of breath. Turns out I was suffering from a double pulmonary embolism , and that the only reason I wasn't doubled over in pain is because by an odd fluke of nature, the interior of the lungs do not have nerve endings (only the exterior) and had I waited any longer I could have died. At t…

Chest pain can also be related to muscle spasms in the ribs or other areas, or even heart burn, said my doc for my own symptoms.

It's impossible to tell. Thus it would be wise to get checked up just in case.

Re: The Other Half

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Post by rsmets »

Interesting story. Having a skilled doctor is essential to making it out of those situations unscathed. I was lucky enough to have one of those too.

I had an ischemic stroke at the age of 21 while studying abroad in Prague. Rushed to ER and emergency cutting edge surgery, intra-arterial thrombolysis, ensued. This is a 'test' procedure in many parts of the western world. They went through my groin to get to the blot clot in my brain. Woke up that evening in the ER with pretty much no clue what had happened.

While the quality of the care was pretty good, with the surgeon being spectacular, the language barrier made things a bit difficult for my two weeks stay there after! Not to mention I was hands down to everyone's junior in that section of the hospital I was moved to after the ER ha.

Anyway that's the short version of a story I should probably write down somewhere similar to yours. I'm 24 now and completely healthy =). For all the 'making the world a better place (at a macro level)' that us devs are doing it is a nice reminder that making the world a better place on an individual level is probably still the most impact any of us can have. I don't even know what my doctor's name was! But thank you to all you MDs.

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