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The Black Technologist Who Invented the First Internet Search Engine

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Re: The Black Technologist Who Invented the First Internet Search Engine

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Then why is it strictly forbidden to write an article with a title that caters specifically to young white children?

One could say that almost every article caters specifically to white people.

Why do you think so?

Could you not also say that almost every article caters specifically to Jewish people? Or would that be anti-Semitic in your mind?

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I can tell you why it's important to note the race of an underrepresented minority who made a notable contribution. I teach programming to a group of black young adults. Self image is very important to most young folks. Just seeing other black people who are successful computer programmers helps them imagine themselves as computer programmers. Identity matters to young people who are trying to shape their own self im…

Then why is it strictly forbidden to write an article with a title that caters specifically to young white children?

I don't think I'll be able to do satisfactorily answer that question in a couple sentences, but I'll try.

White people are a majority in technology, so it's assumed to be obvious to white children that they too can be a technologist. There's not a significant gap in perceived identity between themselves and Mark Zuckerberg, for example.

So, that begs the question, why focus on encouraging specifically white children? They don't face racial barriers and have many famous role models. Preference for white people has a long and ugly history in America.

Re: The Black Technologist Who Invented the First Internet Search Engine

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HN is sometimes one of the more progressive wings of the geek community. It's disheartening to see the number of replies expressing dismay at race being an interesting and notable part of this story. Representation is a crucial concept in history and media, and a key element in why conversations about privilege are necessary. Rather than stating that you don't know why it would be relevant to mention the man's race,…

> HN is sometimes one of the more progressive wings of the geek community. I'll respectfully disagree with that. I think the rules set up in HN around both manual and automatic flagging mean that controversial stories quickly get buried, and only very straightforward, non-controversial articles get visibility. Many users think this is a positive feature. I'm deeply ambivalent about it, but have come to accept that HN…

Admittedly, I'm more of a lurker and slightly-more-than-occasional visitor, so my experience of HN is probably not representative of the norm. However, I have seen racism and other prejudice called out frequently enough that I felt justified in giving the community some credit. Perhaps more than it deserves. Sadly, can't help but look at the discussions happening here as vastly more enlightened when compared with the ones that take place, for instance, in many Facebook groups related to tech.

Re: The Black Technologist Who Invented the First Internet Search Engine

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It's irresponsible to mention quotas and affirmative action, but not the systemic (and legal) racism and sexism that made those programs necessary in the first place.

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Not sure why you think calling the ACLU to fight on your behalf grants you a license to promote color-blindness as viable tactic against racism in this country.

Re: The Black Technologist Who Invented the First Internet Search Engine

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Was just thinking this earlier this week, can anything, at this point, hold a candle to Google in terms of search? Or possibly compete well with it such that people could switch?

Recently heard about the news Google is discontinuing enterprise site search, not that that is such a huge problem, but it's just another example of the issues that arise from having a monopoly control everything with no alternatives. They can pull the plug and everyone is left lacking.

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Then why is it strictly forbidden to write an article with a title that caters specifically to young white children?

One could say that almost every article caters specifically to white people.

Can you elaborate on that? Why is this so?

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One of the things I love on the old Internet is how people took off with the Archie theme on other search engines. Gopher's main search engine was Veronica (Very Easy Rodent Oriented Internet Something Something). I also recall a Jughead search engine.

The second generation search engines killed the theme off (Altavista, Lycos, Webcrawler, Infoseek, etc...), but it was fun while it lasted.

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> I understand the sentiment, but I also understand that if you truly want to get rid of racial bias, gender bias, whatever else bias completely, then not paying it mention in any sphere is how you get there. We lived in a world where racism exists, regardless of your own personal attitude. This is just like global climate change - simply because you personally are carbon neutral doesn't mean we don't have a systemat…

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I understand if my tone came off as more condescending than necessary - I am a corporate lawyer I am prone to being a bit incisive - so I apologize for that. I do tend to adopt a bit of snark when writing online - it gets those precious, precious upvotes.

However, in the end, my point is this: I am of the opinion that collective action is necessary to address this issue and I believe the weight of the evidence is on this side. The point that you (appear) to have made, and I am reacting to, is that ignoring the problem is the best way to address it, and I think that is demonstrably ineffective. It is just not the world in which we live.

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HN is sometimes one of the more progressive wings of the geek community. It's disheartening to see the number of replies expressing dismay at race being an interesting and notable part of this story. Representation is a crucial concept in history and media, and a key element in why conversations about privilege are necessary. Rather than stating that you don't know why it would be relevant to mention the man's race,…

Hacker News is full of alt-right people and trump supporters, which you'll see any time anything vaguely immigration, race or gender related gets posted. Just by nature of the subject matter, middle-aged white male libertarian types are going to be over-represented.

'Is full of alt-right people and trump supporters'? You could justly say that about Breitbart but unless you have a metric to support your assertions why should any credence be given to your opinion regarding the readership of HN? I have previously suggested the opposite opinion but I was wrong to do that. I simply do not know and neither do you. Room for a technical analysis if someone can be bothered.

Re: The Black Technologist Who Invented the First Internet Search Engine

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I don't understand why one would point out a person's race (unless it's relevant to the situaiton), but since the title did... I cannot fanthom how anyone could call this person "black". If anything, his complexion is similar to what US people call "hispanic" (although to me that's just southern European, not a distinct race).

Not to mention that (as of 2016) Black People don't even exist any more. Everyone who previously was "Black" is now "of Color".

A Black Technologist is an expert in Black (=incomprehensible to laypeople) Technology. Since we're talking about search engines, I figure that's accurate enough.

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