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How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global spy network

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Re: How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global spy network

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Where did he imply he was defending it ? He was just pointing out that Peter Thiel gets all the hate while Zuck and the others are praised as technology innovators and saviors of humanity.

hardly, all the people he named get critisized constantly, here especially.

Wait to see 2020 when everybody here will be on Zuckerberg For President's train

Re: How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global spy network

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As far as I can tell, there's no new "technology" in whatever product Palantir offers (I have briefly used it before?). It seems to me that it's just a program for data visualization, which given that the government is one of their customers, is quite the grifting of the public.

The technology in the first iPhone ten years ago also existed for many years. Look how much society has changed thanks to Apple strategy of combining technology with design and good usability. That's the real and in my opinion frightening innovation behind Palantir. It's selling mass surveillance that "just works".

They are selling data visualization, not mass surveillance. There is a key distinction here. If it had some out that MongoDB was being used as the underlying datastore for XKS or that Tableau was being used to visualize the data, would we be decrying those products too?

Re: How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global spy network

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That's a little bit of an oversimplification. Thiel thinks that globalization of development without massive technological advancement will lead to a kind of slow Malthusian catastrophe since current technology (fossil fuel energy systems, slow transit, inefficient power grids, etc.) cannot possibly support the entire human race at a modern developed world standard of living. I don't agree with everything Peter think…

I'm not going to say it's false. But I've love to see citations supporting the notion that technological progress has slowed since the 1970s. Looking around me I see some evidence: CCD Cameras: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge-coupled_device#History LEDs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-emitting_diode#Initial_c... Laser diodes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_diode#History LCDs: https://en.wikipedia.org/w…

Cloud computing is the mainframe model. ALGOL was safe, maintainable language for systems with LISP being ultimate for scripting or flexibility. Current languages mostly do what the could already do. High-performance, NoSQL databases were how mainframes started. Clustering & early distributed systems by Dec's VMS & Tandem NonStop. Xerox PARC came up with desktops. Englebart's people demonstrated all kinds of stuff in 1968:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mother_of_All_Demos

Most stuff I see today is just rehashes of concepts that were made from the 1960's to 1980's. The core ones you need for personal communication or running a business were all built before 1970. There's still innovation happening but most improvements were just incremental rather than ground-breaking. The most groundbreaking stuff today, like a computer in your pocket, were often result of massive, economic investment into a pile of incremental improvements by many people over time. I'm fine with this but let's not act like we're having many Xerox PARC or Doug Englebart moments.

Re: How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global spy network

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Look at the people behind Y Combinator that condemn Trump because according to them he represents a real threat to the safety of women, minorities, and immigrants[0], but at the same time have many financial ties with Thiel's practices. They have financial power to take a stand against this threat, but decide not do it. [0] http://blog.samaltman.com/the-2016-election

> He represents a real threat to the safety of women, minorities, and immigrants As an immigrant myself, I keep seeing famous people write this, but I want some kind of "citation needed." What plans does this actually refer to?

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Re: How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global spy network

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What about ex president Obama who actually used the tech? So much outrage for Thiel, but where were the protests when Obama wiretapped the world? Ps. I think Thiel is a hypocrite if he really thinks himself as libertarian. Also, despite having money and power I think he has big balls to go against SV where he made himself. I also don't understand how did he became so powerful, every time he talks.. He has charisma of…

the thing about Obama is that even if he ultimately made a bad decision you got the feeling (a feeling that i would say is backed up by evidence) that he put thought and care and consideration into decisions. i'm not trying to apologize for any particular failing of his but i think that explains the huge difference in protest reaction between him and trump

I think there's truth in that, but how reliable are peoples' feelings? I think the "what about Obama?" questions are getting at this underlying point.

Also, it's hard to accommodate protesters when the demands are nebulous concepts of "make me feel better about this". Post Tea Party politics and protests have been rife with this problem.

Re: How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global spy network

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I just don't understand how he can call himself a libertarian. Self-rationalizing has no ends.

"As a civil libertarian, my own view is that preventing terrorist attacks is actually quite important. I was surprised that we got something as extreme as the PATRIOT Act after 9/11. The alternative to technological approaches to preventing terrorism will not be the sort of perfect world of the ACLU. I think civil liberties always lose after you have an attack. They always get replaced by things that are, as a default, very intrusive and very low tech."

Source: http://www.vox.com/2014/11/14/7213833/peter-thiel-palantir-p...

Re: How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global spy network

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Most comments here seem to hate Peter Thiel, but when it comes to Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and Larry Page (all whom seem to be in bed with governments since a long time and worked with Hillary Clinton's campaign staff), well there's nothing wrong there because democrats are the good guys, right? What would you do in their place? They don't make the rules. Government does, and you vote for government. So don't try…

Multiple people can be bad for reasons entirely their own, "but shes doing it TOOOOOOO" is the reasoning and defense of a child.

The underlying point is that this isn't a discussion about privacy or government overreach but a focal point for anger with Thiel for his support of Trump. In that case, points about mechanisms, rules, oversight bodies, constitutional amendments, etc. are all off-topic (and, indeed, we're not discussing those things).

Re: How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global spy network

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What about ex president Obama who actually used the tech? So much outrage for Thiel, but where were the protests when Obama wiretapped the world? Ps. I think Thiel is a hypocrite if he really thinks himself as libertarian. Also, despite having money and power I think he has big balls to go against SV where he made himself. I also don't understand how did he became so powerful, every time he talks.. He has charisma of…

> Where were the protests when Obama wiretapped the world?

There were protests in over 80 cities in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_global_surveillan...

Re: How Peter Thiel’s Palantir helped expand the NSA’s global spy network

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at the people behind Y Combinator that condemn Trump because according to them he represents a real threat to the safety of women, minorities, and immigrants[0], but at the same time have many financial ties with Thiel's practices. They have financial power to take a stand against this threat, but decide not do it. [0] http://blog.samaltman.com/the-2016-election

> He represents a real threat to the safety of women, minorities, and immigrants As an immigrant myself, I keep seeing famous people write this, but I want some kind of "citation needed." What plans does this actually refer to?

Demanding others supply widely reported and debated information doesn't make sense for this forum.

Try searches like below, evaluate them and pick specific issues you think people here could help you with:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=trump+threat+to+women&t=ffsb&ia=ne...

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=trump+threat+to+minorities&t=ffsb&...

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=trump+threat+to+immigrants&t=ffsb&...

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