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Why Do So Many Incompetent Men Become Leaders? (2013)

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Re: Why Do So Many Incompetent Men Become Leaders? (2013)

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One of the most interesting facts in Francis Fukuyama's The Origins of Political Order was that the most primordial form of human social groupings, small bands of hunter gatherers, are organised along egalitarian and democratic lines, without any recognisable leader. There may be an individual who the other members of the band listen to more than others, but only due to their proven experience and wisdom. And there i…

Hunter-gatherers generally didn't store meat. Therefore, when the best hunter in the group brought home a large animal, he shared it with all. Likewise, there were few physical possessions or need for such, and so these were shared too. But egalitarian? Not a chance. Studies show that even modern hunters expend enormous energy and risk their lives hunting over the real prize: access to mates.

>Hunter-gatherers generally didn't store meat.

The diversity of cured meats around the world makes this statement suspect. I don't see an agrarian society taking time to discover how to cure meat... why would they, grain stores easier.

Yet every culture has various kinds of preserved meat; Pemmican, European sausages, Kiviak, Hongeohoe, etc.

Re: Why Do So Many Incompetent Men Become Leaders? (2013)

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if you're a minority or a woman, there's way more pushback on all those things My counter to that is Theranos.

Trustfund wasn't citing a study or anything, but still I don't think an appropriate counter to a perceived trend is one cherry picked point of data.

That is fair, but the burden of proof is on trustfund, so it doesn't really matter how rigorous GP is.

Re: Why Do So Many Incompetent Men Become Leaders? (2013)

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Summary: "We commonly misinterpret displays of confidence as a sign of competence". See "Assholes, a Theory" (2014). Despite the title, this is a serious book and well worth reading. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Assholes-Theory-Aaron-James/dp/080417...

It's probably a pretty good strategy to use if you have nothing else to go on.

It's a good strategy to use even if you have something else to go on :)

Re: Why Do So Many Incompetent Men Become Leaders? (2013)

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Because talking with confidence will go 90% of the way to convincing people that you know what you're talking about. So often I've worked with assholes who talk with such confidence that most people won't bother filtering the garbage coming from their mouths. They just believe it. It's almost eerie how effectively talking with confidence works. It's so effective that when you complain about these charlatans, YOU look…

Reminds me of the lawyers defending OJ Simpson

Re: Why Do So Many Incompetent Men Become Leaders? (2013)

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Can you develop on the "feminist agenda" bit? I assumed that you meant that women, envious of the male qualities of truth and honesty, try to push an agenda to undermine these. Am I right?

EDIT: I see that you changed all your comments for ".". I guess that you've already made your point.

Re: Why Do So Many Incompetent Men Become Leaders? (2013)

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"Hacker News" is a bit of a misnomer. Submissions need neither be for hackers (in the strict, "person who uses computers to gain unauthorized access to data" sense) or even current. From the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: a…

> Submissions need neither be for hackers (in the strict, "person who uses computers to gain unauthorized access to data" sense)

Well many would argue that this is _not_ the strict sense of the word "hacker".

Please see the jargon file:-

http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/meaning-of-hack.html

Re: Why Do So Many Incompetent Men Become Leaders? (2013)

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Anthropologists have studied hunter gatherer tribes for a long time and it is not as simple as those with the most confidence becomes leaders. For example, among the San people tribe leadership is shared by the elders. And anyone can become an elder by surviving til old age. In day to day tasks, such as during hunting, who leads the hunt is determined on a rotating schedule so that all men get to lead it from time to…

> Another interesting tidbit noted by many anthropologists is that boasting is strictly forbidden. Are you saying that this applies to every tribe in the world? Because if so, I don't buy it. It's too far fetched that every tribe in the world except everyone who advanced past the hunter gatherer stage would share this cultural trait. Aside from it being unreasonable that all tribes would share this trait, it would al…

No, I should have clarified that my comment was only about the San people, aka Bushmen. Those people are the closest to how humans lived for thousands of years before they wandered out of Africa.

I don't think other primitive peoples have designated leadership roles either, like we do, but I'm not sure.

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