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Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by return0 »

To play the devils advocate, the criticism of the article is misdirected. None of the problems mentioned were created or exacerbated by facebook. Addiction : just like any other addiction , filter bubble: people not making friends on the other side, right winger's followers: the shunning from mainstream media brought that.

Facebook makes the most obvious choice of algorithms. An alternative choice of algorithms (e.g. deliberately exposing you to views you don't like) would create a much bigger backlash.

Anyway facebook has a long history of "huuuge outcry" every time they make a change, but its users have the attention span of a fruitfly.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by return0 »

sveme wrote: post #5

Have we reached peak Facebook yet? I started using Facebook quite early in my country and used it mostly as a social network, communicating and exchanging stuff with friends from all over the world. A couple years later I deleted my account, being disgusted by the potential abusive potential of all the information Facebook had. I came back years later as it became THE tool for ad hoc social initiatives and a way to f…

I am glad facebook exists, to keep all that garbage siloed and away from me. As a non-user, i enjoy a slightly cleaner web.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by bamboozled »

oldsj wrote: post #40
azernik wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least Tesla's one thing is inherently important because of the climate change implications.

Yea I have to say Elon's actions seem to really be for the overall benefit of society unlike most other tech / business leaders

I like to remain skeptical about Elon's vision, he seems like a great guy, but he is still a business man, maybe he isn't able to see that for himself.

Just remember we're not just getting free lithium, aluminum and copper from another dimension to build all those cars, and when we're done with the cars, they're not just going to biodegrade back into forrests and coral reefs. Mining those minerals can have a pretty serious environmental impact.

There is some cognitive dissonance going here, we see a solution to climate change, but we don't want to observe the other side of the coin.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by whoopdedo »

rush340 wrote: post #42
Bedon292 wrote: post #19

>> If you type "how to leave" into the Google search window, "how to leave Facebook" will be the first suggestion. Am I being too critical for thinking someone writing an article like this should know that Google searches / suggestions are personalized? Just because its suggested for them does not mean its universal.

You're not. It really annoys me when people cite google search suggestions as meaningful. In my google search suggestions, it falls behind "how to leave a group chat" and "how to leave a meetup group". Therefore it must be true that more people are trying to figure out how to get out of group chats or break it off with their meetup group than leaving facebook. This also must be a sign of the demise of group chat.

I use Google infrequently and block google-analytics, so I believe I'm mostly outside the search bubble. I get "how to leave group chat", "how to leave your wife", "how to leave a review on etsy", and "how to leave group text". The questions about chat and text both give answers about iOS. Is Google the default search engine for Siri?

The other questions, hmm.

Another way to bypass customized results is to use StartPage. The only suggestion I get from there is "how to leave town"

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

#95

Post by igniteflow »

paulpauper wrote: post #68
onewaystreet wrote: post #21

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> Have the social network aspects of Facebook been destroyed by fatigue Combating this is partly why Facebook bought WhatsApp and spun out Messenger into its own app.

Facebook is so big it can just buy anything that competes with it ,but Whats App may be too big

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it owns WhatsApp

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

#96

Post by nerdponx »

alehul wrote: post #14
CodingGuy wrote: post #9

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If Google Trends is somewhat right, we've definitely reached peak Facebook: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=Facebook

This is likely more indicative of society: A. Becoming more computer-literate and going straight to sites as opposed to always Googling it before clicking, even once familiar with the URL, which won't correlate to usage B. Visiting the site enough for AutoFill to take effect, which is ever-so-slightly inverse in correlation in terms of search popularity to site popularity Here's a FB-related search term people will s…

If this were true, we'd see similar drops in other popular sites like Amazon and Apple and Google itself.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=facebook...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by enraged_camel »

return0 wrote: post #92
sveme wrote: post #5

Have we reached peak Facebook yet? I started using Facebook quite early in my country and used it mostly as a social network, communicating and exchanging stuff with friends from all over the world. A couple years later I deleted my account, being disgusted by the potential abusive potential of all the information Facebook had. I came back years later as it became THE tool for ad hoc social initiatives and a way to f…

I am glad facebook exists, to keep all that garbage siloed and away from me. As a non-user, i enjoy a slightly cleaner web.

The silo leaks quite a bit. Every other website has Facebook logins and Facebook comment threads, or screenshots of conversations from Facebook. It's pretty bad.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

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Post by astrodust »

return0 wrote: post #92
sveme wrote: post #5

Have we reached peak Facebook yet? I started using Facebook quite early in my country and used it mostly as a social network, communicating and exchanging stuff with friends from all over the world. A couple years later I deleted my account, being disgusted by the potential abusive potential of all the information Facebook had. I came back years later as it became THE tool for ad hoc social initiatives and a way to f…

I am glad facebook exists, to keep all that garbage siloed and away from me. As a non-user, i enjoy a slightly cleaner web.

We can just call it the "alternate-web".

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's manifesto for Facebook offers a social dystopia

#100

Post by astrodust »

mtgx wrote: post #82
paulpauper wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

have we reached 'peak car' 'peak operating system' yet or 'peak computer'? I think Facebook is going to be with us for a very long time and will continue to thrive. Yeah, the comments and posts suck sometimes (I don't use it) but hundreds of millions are addicted to it.

Facebook is not an industry. It's a product in an industry. A similar question would read "Have we reached peak AOL?" or "Have we reached peak Windows?"

Peak AOL happened a while back, and peak Windows has already happened, it's getting murdered by non-PC devices.

Anything can peak, products and industries alike.

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