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Re: Microsoft open-sources Graph Engine

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Post by ukyrgf »

brilliantcode wrote: post #58

Microsoft of 2017 makes me forget about Microsoft of 1997. It's insane how a shakeup of CEO and new cultural shift can seemingly add another major boost to it's brand. I welcome open source, eventually, I believe that it will eat commercial software, if the right economic incentives are in place. Microsoft may be signaling this to the market.

I started to get this warm fuzzy feeling as well. Then, I experienced a bug in OneDrive and decided to report it. A week later they responded by referring me to a site where users get 7 votes to pick which bugs you want their team to investigate. The warm fuzzies disappeared...

Re: Microsoft open-sources Graph Engine

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Post by jdmichal »

Someone1234 wrote: post #43
WayneBro wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not yet. Their next strategy is to try and use ARM (again) to shove UWP down your throat. I love Windows but I seriously will not touch UWP until they loosen up the sandbox restrictions so that I can do regular IPC with a win32 desktop app. You can't even send an HTTP request to a little node.js Web server running on your desktop right now. Fuck that. I'm not buying into it.

> I love Windows but I seriously will not touch UWP until they loosen up the sandbox restrictions so that I can do regular IPC with a win32 desktop app. The whole reason for the UWP sandboxing is to make it so that users can confidently install UWP applications with some assurances that it isn't spyware/malware/blackmailware that will take over their PC or steal their personal information. UWP is Microsoft's answer t…

Honestly, this particular complaint reminds me a lot of UAC. After decades of people complaining that Windows account security was too lax, they implement the graphical popup equivalent of `sudo`. Then proceed to get skewered in public opinion for having done it.

Yes, proper security means you will be inconvenienced. In the same way that you would be inconvenienced if your bank called you to confirm that $10000 wire you didn't initiate. It's inconvenient that you have to take a call and resolve the issue, but it's a hell of a lot better than finding out at some indeterminate point in the future that $10000 is missing from your account.

Re: Microsoft open-sources Graph Engine

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Post by etelej »

EGreg wrote: post #35
debatem1 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, I am as well.

But I'm pretty sure you two are the only ones.

Nope. Same here. However, it's just Chrome on Android that doesn't recognize the CA, even the native android browser is okay. Bizarre, may be coz they have an incomplete cert chain https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=www.graphengi... and chrome on android has had issues with that

Re: Microsoft open-sources Graph Engine

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Post by whatever_dude »

pcnix wrote: post #51
Someone1234 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their OS team just put a Ubuntu-Linux subsystem into Windows via direct kernel calls. I'd be careful assuming anything about them.

I was surprised at how well it was implemented. It's a very comprehensive system, and their roadmap for the future is promising too.

I'm interested in this roadmap as well. I currently follow their bash changelog blog, and check that user vote site, but I haven't seen anything like a more concise future plan.

Re: Microsoft open-sources Graph Engine

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Post by rch »

This era of open source from MS is great, but my reaction is always "OK, here's the Microsoft version of something I've been using for a couple of years already".

I'd like to see the Spanner+Cyc GIS-capable global distributed real-time graph engine with FPGA accelerated OLAP support MS Research is probably sitting on, because we can almost / pretty-much hack that together with OSS now.

Re: Microsoft open-sources Graph Engine

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Post by beagle3 »

jdmichal wrote: post #92
Someone1234 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I love Windows but I seriously will not touch UWP until they loosen up the sandbox restrictions so that I can do regular IPC with a win32 desktop app. The whole reason for the UWP sandboxing is to make it so that users can confidently install UWP applications with some assurances that it isn't spyware/malware/blackmailware that will take over their PC or steal their personal information. UWP is Microsoft's answer t…

Honestly, this particular complaint reminds me a lot of UAC. After decades of people complaining that Windows account security was too lax, they implement the graphical popup equivalent of `sudo`. Then proceed to get skewered in public opinion for having done it. Yes, proper security means you will be inconvenienced. In the same way that you would be inconvenienced if your bank called you to confirm that $10000 wire…

If only. sudo, as configured out-of-the-box on Ubuntu, gets out of your way and lets you work (Except if you haven't properly authenticated in the last 15 minutes); polkit is similarly out-of-your-way.

Sudo is also (relatively) easy to configure: "this command line can be run under sudo by anybody", "this command must not be run under sudo even if they know their password", etc.

UAC is always-in-your-face about everything, often unexpectedly - it hijacks your desktops at inopportune times, and there's no way to tell it "Yes, this software can do this again for the next 15 minutes without asking me again".

UAC is very, very far from being the graphical popup equivalent of sudo. If it had been, people would not have complained as much. (Someone always complains. But in the case of UAC, most of the complaints are justified)

Re: Microsoft open-sources Graph Engine

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Post by halflings »

v-yadli wrote: post #40
wyldfire wrote: post #2

I find that very abstract software packages like this are difficult to visualize without an example. This page does not offer one, but TFM does -- see [1]. Also note that TFM describes the fact that this is Windows-only. That makes it substantially less interesting, IMO. [1] https://www.graphengine.io/docs/manual/index.html#what-is-ge

Dev here. Cross-platform for Linux/BSD is on the way, and it's already in the repo now.

That's great! You should definitely add that to the docs. I just went to the same page and was extremely disappointed when I saw that it required Windows. A benchmark comparing it with similar solutions (esp. Neo4j) would be much welcome.

Re: Microsoft open-sources Graph Engine

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Post by beagle3 »

runjake wrote: post #76
bluejekyll wrote: post #5

At this rate, are we going to see Windows open-sourced? MS is on a roll. My bias since 1996 is being eroded with each OSS release they have, and multi-platform targeted support. I started using VSCode regularly as my main Rust IDE, and I feel dirty for liking it. It's seemless across macOS and Linux.

I think that MSFT would open source the Windows OS today, if they were able, but they have some issues to deal with: * Intellectual Property. * The concern about opening a can of security vulnerabailities and the associated negative press, is probably on their minds. Still, I wish they would open source the components they can, if only as a gesture.

I have no idea why you would think that, when they refuse to document what gets communicated back to Microsoft, make it impossible to turn off telemetry for home users, and even refuse to let you postpone reboots after updates.

It is wishful thinking to believe that "they want to be more open, but just can't". They are open sourcing only where they are weak, and that's just not true of the OS (or Office or SQL Server, for that matter).

Re: Microsoft open-sources Graph Engine

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Post by crudbug »

nitrogen wrote: post #71
crudbug wrote: post #44

Interesting - Linux Foundation with IBM, Google and others announced last week JanusGraph [0]. Janus provides optional persistent storage option also. What are the good use cases for these ? [0] http://janusgraph.org/

Old-school AI maybe, fraud detection, social network analysis, recommendation engines, deanonymization, surveillance and tracking...

I am using a time-series db where each metric measurement requires some static context information to be included, e.g. Event 1 happened in Device A at Node B, Location C. These static entities (A, B, C) are perfect for graph vertices. But, when I am persisting the graph on disk - I store all the data statically, No links just columns - the static entities become dimensional data.

Is there a better way to this ?

Ideally, we should persist the Object Graph directly without any data conversion. I see a difference in - How we compute and How we store data.

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