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Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by arkitaip »

fsckin wrote: post #79
CoolGuySteve wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is moreso true for China and India. If you've ever been to those countries, the first thing you notice as a westerner is that the streets are chaos, traffic rules are barely obeyed, and aggressiveness is required to get anywhere. Meanwhile, Beijing and Dehli have extreme pollution problems partially caused by cars. If any place was in need of point to point autonomous ride sharing, it's Asia. The reduction in ca…

I tried to flag a taxi in downtown Shanghai for 45 minutes and finally gave into the broken English speaking motorcycle taxi who had been circling the block every five minutes. Riding bitch through Hangpu to Pudong with a laptop in one arm while lane splitting with aggressive (and otherwise bad drivers) all around was a rather exciting experience. Even with a skilled pilot, the adrenaline rush was similar to my first…

Your driver must be a real level 4 driver.

Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by notatoad »

teawithcarl wrote: post #67

Each time the Cruise starts from a stop light, it's too slow. Every time ... cars pass it, and dive into its lane (a typical reaction to slow moving vehicles). Still, nice accomplishment.

It's hard to tell for sure what's happening in a sped up video like this, but starting slower than other cars at the light isn't necessarily a bad thing, depending on just how slow they're going. Going hard off the line is extremely inefficient for very little benefit. Autonomous cars correcting that habit could be good.

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

greglindahl wrote: post #61
swsieber wrote: post #46

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And Tesla had encouraged that perception.

Tesla appears to be extremely clear to users as to the current state of the system. Have you actually used Tesla autopilot? What did you think of it?

It's called "autopilot".

Too many people, myself included, that's all that matters.

They need to stop calling it "autopilot" until you can get in and fall asleep in the back seat.

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Post by greglindahl »

ericd wrote: post #59
GFK_of_xmaspast wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get GM cars as rentals pretty often and while they're better than Chrysler I don't have a lot of faith in their product.

My point was that they don't take a cavalier SV-style approach to testing things.

Many Silicon Valley startups don't take a "cavalier SV-style approach" to testing things, either. There are a ton of medical device startups, for example.

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Post by greglindahl »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #93
greglindahl wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla appears to be extremely clear to users as to the current state of the system. Have you actually used Tesla autopilot? What did you think of it?

It's called "autopilot". Too many people, myself included, that's all that matters. They need to stop calling it "autopilot" until you can get in and fall asleep in the back seat.

And you're a Tesla owner? Or you've driven a Tesla and used autopilot? Or you're considering buying a Tesla?

Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by Jedd »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #89
Jedd wrote: post #76

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> Dumb question: how do these systems distinguish a traffic light? Well, how do you distinguish / identify a traffic light? For me it's a combination of knowing the area, knowing what a traffic light looks like, and observing the behaviour of traffic around (mostly in front) of me (if the intersection isn't visible). For an autonomous vehicle, they'd use the same methods plus they'd have the non-trivial added benefit…

OK the inter-vehicle communication and crowd sourcing and AI sound like they will manage it. I'm assuming though that we'll eventually want AV-aware sensors attached to every light and every stop sign and every intersection. UHF RFID or some such that is cheap to deploy.

I think there'd be massive cost in retro-fitting lights and intersections - probably easier to agree on a mechanism for new infrastructure, and rely upon current approaches for extant infrastructure.

My concern is more about the regulatory side -- before any of this stuff gets widely deployed, various authorities are going to have to come up with some standards, and for the most part nation states are spectacularly poor at doing this sensibly in isolation, and horrendously woeful at doing it in cooperation. I suspect we'll end up with cars & infrastructure that are not 100% interoperable across borders.

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Post by cardiffspaceman »

panitaxx wrote: post #82

Pigeons and human have a pact. You continue and they will fly away in the last second. Cars don't need to stop for pigeons. https://youtu.be/xPCZtrac-Ss

I hope you're kidding. In an area where they had just opened a freeway segment for my commute, my car had a couple of "reverse bird strikes" -- the car was safe but the fate of the bird was unknown -- at the beginning of the new segment. It's possible the birds weren't pigeons.

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Post by BurningFrog »

tigershark wrote: post #75
abalone wrote: post #57

At the risk of sounding pedantic this is not a Level 4 demo. It is a Level 2 demo where the driver didn't have to intervene during the demonstrated route. What's the difference? Apart from the legal requirement to have a diver ready to take over in test vehicles (which necessarily makes it Level 2), the fundamental difference is that you'd have to show a lot more than one demo to establish that you've achieved Level…

I agree completely. And the video although not new is quite impressive. But if the claim of the author that San Francisco is a tough city in which to drive is true, than I fear that some parts of Italy (and probably A LOT of cities in the world) won't have self driving cars for a very long time. When I saw the video the first time I was very impressed, but I would have never imagined that for someone that was a VERY…

Why would a North American self driving car have to handle Indian traffic?

Re: Cruise Shows Off Level 4 Skills in SF, Passing Uber and Maybe Waymo

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Post by thenewregiment1 »

f_allwein wrote: post #88
CoolGuySteve wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is moreso true for China and India. If you've ever been to those countries, the first thing you notice as a westerner is that the streets are chaos, traffic rules are barely obeyed, and aggressiveness is required to get anywhere. Meanwhile, Beijing and Dehli have extreme pollution problems partially caused by cars. If any place was in need of point to point autonomous ride sharing, it's Asia. The reduction in ca…

I like this video of traffic in Hyderabad, India. Whole different kind of logic applies there: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JYjG_S8XJM4

So beautiful to watch. Order in chaos

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Post by stale2002 »

kuschku wrote: post #78
gcheong wrote: post #49

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I'm guessing that will be part of Level 5 or at least we will be very close to level 5(full) autonomy once complex situations like 4-way stops with lots of pedestrians have been mastered.

So you’re saying until we reach Level 5, autonomous cars will be entirely useless almost everywhere except a handful of US cities?

No.... They would work perfect on a highway WAY before we have cities figured out. If autonomous cars and trucks work on highways, then millions of jobs go poof.
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