I'll add mine to the list - http://bom.gov.au
Useful to see the weather updates as well!
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How do you see this scaling? Do you think hotels and restaurants can deliver reliable internet without charging for it? Is it reasonable to assume that companies that don't charge for wifi can afford the staff to make sure that users don't abuse it? I am considering your proposal & I don't see it working at all.
> Do you think hotels and restaurants can deliver reliable internet without charging for it? Many do. I've never seen a restaurant charging for Wifi, and I've seen plenty offering it for free. Quality varies, some are good, some suck. Hotels are all over them map, but I just stayed at the hotel that advertises free high quality Wifi (and it indeed was fine) as one of the amenities. US-centric, of course, in some plac…
It shouldn't be too expensive for a restaurant to do.
Although a restaurant can get by without wifi, most modern restaurants have it for managing OpenTable, monitoring yelp reviews, ordering supplies online, etc.
I guess the signal might get a bit worse the farther away you get from the wifi router, but in general, providing wifi to customers shouldn't cost any additional money.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
What would you suggest if someone wants payment for a water tab? Ever seen that? I think we should move towards considering Internet access as a general service that people make available for their guests/customers.
How do you see this scaling? Do you think hotels and restaurants can deliver reliable internet without charging for it? Is it reasonable to assume that companies that don't charge for wifi can afford the staff to make sure that users don't abuse it? I am considering your proposal & I don't see it working at all.
> Do you think hotels and restaurants can deliver reliable internet without charging for it?
Absolutely. 100% of the hotels that I've stayed at in the last five years have had free wifi. Almost half of those have still had captive portals.
Hell, my gym provides free wifi. The captive portal is literally just a button that says "Continue to the Internet" and redirects you to their Facebook page (not even a terms of use).
Every Starbucks I've been in recently has free wifi. Every library I've visited has had captive portal-free wifi.
I don't understand what sort of "scaling" you're referring to.
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#94I've suffered from routers or captive portals poisoning my dns when they do dns redirects, so I usually opt for a nonsense domain like fjlsdfoierldoidflug.com
But I know that some appliances do content injection or 302 redirects which only work over http.
I like knowing about this neverssl. I like that all the page assets are inlined to limit the page load to one request. Makes it easy to see what is being injected by your browser and the network.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
What would you suggest for the case of someone wanting payment for the connection? Like it or not, a lot of places do that.
put the payment url on a sign, just enforce an ip whitelist until customer has paid. Or in extreme sign-less situations put it in the ssid e.g. "pay at portalpage.com"
> put the payment url on a sign, just enforce an ip whitelist until customer has paid. Or in extreme sign-less situations put it in the ssid e.g. "pay at portalpage.com"
This is a captive portal. But worse, because even HTTP sites don't send you to the portal.
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#96Great idea but wish it was a shorter url. I use cnn.com because it's quick to type even on mobile.
I usually use rawr.com
It has no guarantees but the site hasn't been updated in a very long time.
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#98It's sad, because these are the kinds of things that confuse the hell out of "common folk" and explaining requires explaining HTTPS, HSTS, how captive WiFi portals work, and then ultimately, why there isn't a better solution... which maybe doesn't have a great answer. I feel like this "workaround" site is designed to draw attention to the problem at hand more than it is meant to be useful for the task at hand?
I still think having people connect to something handed out by dhcp would be really great, that's what dhcp is for in the first place. If that's too complicated you could always try connecting to the gateway.
RFC 7710 specifies a way for DHCP servers and router advertisements to specify a portal page: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7710
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
> why there isn't a better solution... There is a better solution: No captive portals.
What would you suggest for the case of someone wanting payment for the connection? Like it or not, a lot of places do that.
Almost none of the captive portals I run into want payment of any kind; they almost always just have a click-through for "don't abuse this network" or similar terms.
If you really want payment, then post a URL wherever you post a sign about the SSID, and/or make the SSID "Go To example.com after connecting".
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
How do you see this scaling? Do you think hotels and restaurants can deliver reliable internet without charging for it? Is it reasonable to assume that companies that don't charge for wifi can afford the staff to make sure that users don't abuse it? I am considering your proposal & I don't see it working at all.
> Do you think hotels and restaurants can deliver reliable [[tap water]] without charging for it? > Is it reasonable to assume that companies that don't charge for [[tap water]] can afford the staff to make sure that users don't abuse it? Sorry to post the snarky response, but with internet access, as with all shared goods like access to water or noise in a semi-shared space such as a hotel, yes, I do expect they can…
I was thinking the same thing, with [[lights]].