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Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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Re: Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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That's a lot of investment for someone getting their feet wet. I've been growing food for my family at home for the last four years and while I don't have two acres to farm, I can tell you that equipment has been the least of my problems. Learning to grow food has been a gradual process for me, learning what works for my soil and my climate. I can't imagine trying to start with a Conex full of equipment and two acres…

Not everyone has the luxury or desire for a "gradual process", but may have at least a sensible starting fund and the motivation to make it work. Sometimes the window of opportunity is small, and diving in fast is important (say, realize you have to grow your own food and spring is progressing - if you don't plant ASAP you're not getting to harvest). I've long considered a similar "in a [shipping container] box" for…

I think if you have $50,000 you probably aren't really worried about what you will be eating in 5 months.

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$60,000 seems like a lot of amount for starving and underdeveloped areas.

I went to their funding page and read more about what's inside the "box" https://republic.co/farm-from-a-box

1: micro-drip irrigation system

2: 3kW solar power

3: Pumping System

4: IOT setup

5: Energy management

6: Basic farm tools

As of 2016, average cost of solar power is approximately $3.00 per watt so ~ $9K. I have installed a decent sized drip water irrigation system in my backyard purchased with stuff off of Amazon for a total of $200 max. IOT is unnecessary here. I mean would "poor" people require to purchase Iphones and Macbooks too to see data collected from the IOT setup? A manual water pump like this (http://www.top-pumps.com/pro/20090613195613.jpg )or even an electric one does not go north of $1k-1.5k. Most solar panels and reserve battery system come with a built-in energy management feature. This box does not even contain a variety of seeds, soil, fertilizer and other mandatory things required for proper farming. Think outside the box.

Re: Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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>...and even individuals who want to start a farm. As a person who lives in a farming area this seems like putting a computer and a box of red bull in a box and labeling it "computer programmer kit". I'm not a farmer but things like crop rotation, regulations, WHIMIS (pesticides/herbicides), dangers such as the PTO on the tractor and other farm dangers all needed training. You see at least once per year some farm han…

I'm always sort of resistant to this type of thinking. You're not wrong, but if people are defeated because this kit tries to simplify some aspects of a difficult and experience driven process, then that's sad. New things are hard. People should still try them. Also when I was a kid my dad basically did give me a box of computer parts, sans red bull, and said have it - and I broke it. I bent pins, I had to format, wh…

The problem is this isn't a PC and a can of Red Bull; it's an entire data center and a case of Red Bull.

Re: Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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I was trying to do the math here too. Here's what I came up with. 1) Shipping Container - ~$2,000 2) Tin Shed - Maybe another ~$1,000 3) Hoop Greenhouse - ~$400 [1] 4) 3Kwh Solar Plant with Batteries - ~$8,500 [2] 5) 2 Acre Drip Irrigation System - ~$3,000 [3] 6) WiFi Access - $1,000 (I have no idea what hardware/capabilities they're delivering here, but it seems like that's a safe number) 7) A Bunch of Hand Farming…

Don't forget the refrigeration system, which can easily cost $10-20k if they are getting a walk in one like the ones used by restaurants. And they are doing this in San Francisco, which would greatly up the costs of everything vs doing it pretty much anywhere else. If they aren't careful with shipping everything to them that can easily eat $5k or more (a shipping container can cost more to move than the cost of the c…

>Don't forget the refrigeration system ...

WHICH refrigeration system?

I cannot find any mention of it: "Every unit comes equipped with a renewable power system, internet connectivity, basic farm tools, micro-drip irrigation system and water pump that can be adapted to fit either a groundwell or municipal water supply.

Every Farm from a Box unit can be customized with optional components including sensors, water purification units, and even remote monitioring technology."

And it would IMHO have merited an icon in the picture here:

http://www.farmfromabox.com/about

Re: Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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Not specifically related to the farm. Ethiopia is a very non-free country, as is nearby Eritrea. We just don't hear much about it because journalism is impossible and the government is pro-west.

Can you explain "pro-west"? I suspect it means somebody who says "I like West. West will help us", not a liberal mind. Liberal philosophy roughly means freedom and same rights to everyone, including very bad persons, in exchange to strict execution of written laws. So to be truly pro-west, person must advocate same right to everyone, including e.g. gays, and strong independent court for everyone, including e.g. top l…

Well, yes, "pro-west" is usually used to mean "compliant with US foreign policy", not "liberal". Regardless of whether this is a good thing by other standards.

By your metric, even large parts of the "west" and United States aren't "pro-west". Sadly.

Re: Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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$50,000 is pretty expensive for "a start". That is the price of a decent farmhand in the Midwest (for a year, maybe two if you don't like him so much) and probably a huge plot of land and a few employees in poor countries.

I probably spent $50k in my first two years on my farm. * 30 HP tractor - $14k * brushhog, back blade, cone spreader, log splitter - $3k * 1,000 ft^2 greenhouse - $5k * water to greenhouse - $5k * haying equipment (baler, tedder, disk mower, rake) - $5.5k * buckets, pails, tubs, lights, etc for livestock - $1k * hoses, hand tools, etc. - $1k * drip irrigation, raised beds, soil tests, etc. - $1k * fencing materials -…

The kit is for 2 acres. Probably no brush hog, log splitter, hay equipment or tractor.

Re: Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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$60,000 seems like a lot of amount for starving and underdeveloped areas. I went to their funding page and read more about what's inside the "box" https://republic.co/farm-from-a-box 1: micro-drip irrigation system 2: 3kW solar power 3: Pumping System 4: IOT setup 5: Energy management 6: Basic farm tools As of 2016, average cost of solar power is approximately $3.00 per watt so ~ $9K. I have installed a decent sized…

For fun, I was looking at cheap (compared to San Francisco) land with no infrastructure in Wyoming. 1 acre of land, $10K USD. Drilling a water well that might work, $5K to $30K.

Re: Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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>...and even individuals who want to start a farm. As a person who lives in a farming area this seems like putting a computer and a box of red bull in a box and labeling it "computer programmer kit". I'm not a farmer but things like crop rotation, regulations, WHIMIS (pesticides/herbicides), dangers such as the PTO on the tractor and other farm dangers all needed training. You see at least once per year some farm han…

That was my read on this, so thanks for confirming it. It seems like the most valuable part of this kit won't be in the box, and that's access to someone who knows the basics (and not so basics) of farming to guide the new box owners. I suppose there's the argument of "no one taught our ancestors to farm and they figured it out," but then how effective is this kit at all if you're winging it?

From the article it sounds like the idea is to distribute these through schools, NGOs, aid groups and the like. Those organizations would presumably provide the guidance on how to use all the stuff in the kit.

I could see that being pretty efficient, since the trainers would know exactly what tools and materials trainees will have on hand to work with, which should make it possible to create generalized training systems rather than having to build up a new curriculum for each trainee they work with.

Re: Startup Puts Everything You Need for a Two-Acre Farm in a Shipping Container

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That's a lot of investment for someone getting their feet wet. I've been growing food for my family at home for the last four years and while I don't have two acres to farm, I can tell you that equipment has been the least of my problems. Learning to grow food has been a gradual process for me, learning what works for my soil and my climate. I can't imagine trying to start with a Conex full of equipment and two acres…

There was some internet co-op type company whose name escapes me right now, but they basically did this kind of work for farmers (and would be very helpful for newcomers). The idea was that every farmer who is a member will put in their crop yields along with location, soil quality, exact seed and source, how much fertilizer, etc. All of that data is then available to the other members. So I could sign up, go on ther…

Every state has a university extension system that provides free information for farmers and the general public.

For example, here's Oregon State University's page for small farms: http://extension.oregonstate.edu/sorec/farms

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