Does Tesla have this DMV permit for their autopilot feature?
Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco
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Re: Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco
#92Uber is a company built on ignoring laws. Everything they did in the beginning was against some form of taxi or car hire regulation, in the name of disruption. (Regardless of what you think of the laws in question, they were still being broken in the eyes of most regulators) I don't know how I feel about that type of corporate philosophy (or Facebook's "move fast break things") in light of projects where people can a…
Uber exemplifies the libertarian / anarchist subculture in tech. It seems to be a winning strategy for them so far. Edit: to clarify my position. This is why software will never be regarded as an engineering profession. There is a complete disregard for everything that would make us a profession. I'm saddened with the way the world has gone in 2016. It's like we rebelled against adulthood on a global scale.
It's a gross misrepresentation to claim that ignoring (i.e., breaking) laws is considered acceptable by [generally recognized] libertarian philosophies. Even many anarchist philosophies would reject that, although not all.
Perhaps the concept you're looking for is "anti-authoritarian", although it's entirely possible to be anti-authoritarian without being willing to break laws as one sees fit.
Re: Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Uber exemplifies the libertarian / anarchist subculture in tech. It seems to be a winning strategy for them so far. Edit: to clarify my position. This is why software will never be regarded as an engineering profession. There is a complete disregard for everything that would make us a profession. I'm saddened with the way the world has gone in 2016. It's like we rebelled against adulthood on a global scale.
So I have an off topic question? I originally got into tech because I hate my life and thought that tech was this outlet that could actually make some change. I come from a world of violence and abuse and never really cared for the powers that be. Tech seemed like the answer. So my question to the people who don't feel this way: why are you in tech? Serious question. Tech only seems interesting because you can move f…
I'm not a fan of the "system". But I also quite firmly don't believe that change in any direction, just for the sake of change, is good. There are a ton of things the system does wrong. There are also many things the system does right.
There's a lot of interesting tech where you don't run afoul of regulation but you still massively change lives for the better. Take cell phones - that's been a huge change in the world, and at no point did anyone need to break laws or skirt regulations to make it happen. (I'm not even sure how they could; the only thing that comes to mind is using disallowed frequencies, and even that would have been so much more harmless than anything involving cars.) But they've made an immeasurably huge change in the world, for the better.
Or take the Internet. Or take Wikipedia. Or Twitter. Or mobile camera technology. Or e-commerce. Or the technologies required to run large research clusters to develop new medications. None of these things are things where the system is fundamentally opposed to what you're doing. There may be regulatory fights, sure; someone will be worried about e-commerce and taxes, or encryption and law enforcement, or whatever. You're moving fast, and the system is confused; yes, fight the system.
But you're not calling the very concept of the rule of law into question. That's where I disagree with the libertarian/anarchist technocratic movement: the fact that someones you disagree with the law doesn't mean you have to consider it illegitimate.
Re: Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco
#94Does Tesla have this DMV permit for their autopilot feature?
Why would they need it, except for testing their feature on public roads in vehicles operated by Tesla themselves?
Re: Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco
#95Uber has the garages for both Otto and these cars on Harrison, between 3rd and 4th streets, on the side of the lanes headed to I-80W/101S. When they need to park either, particularly the semi-trucks, they get people in vests to come out, stop traffic for pretty much all lanes of traffic, and slowly park their delicate vehicles.... Glad to see this story.
Re: Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
They seem to claim that it's assistive technology, not self-driving and therefore not required to register as autonomous: http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/12/uber-tests-self-driving-...
Funny , because they say "self driving" on their own website: https://newsroom.uber.com/san-francisco-your-self-driving-ub...
Sounds like a Tesla PR play: call it Autopilot, except when the context is liability.
Re: Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t have Uber installed on my phone. I mostly walk or take the bus/subway. This is just my observations as a pedestrian.
oh, then I misunderstood. Would still be curious how passengers actually act in these cases, since "I don't want to give a bad rating" seems to be a big thing.
Why wouldn't you want to give a bad rating for bad driving?
I almost always give 5 stars, but with the notable exception being distracted or aggressive drivers.
Re: Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t have Uber installed on my phone. I mostly walk or take the bus/subway. This is just my observations as a pedestrian.
oh, then I misunderstood. Would still be curious how passengers actually act in these cases, since "I don't want to give a bad rating" seems to be a big thing.
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Re: Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t have Uber installed on my phone. I mostly walk or take the bus/subway. This is just my observations as a pedestrian.
oh, then I misunderstood. Would still be curious how passengers actually act in these cases, since "I don't want to give a bad rating" seems to be a big thing.
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Re: Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco
#100I want self-driving cars to happen as quickly as possible, but Uber seems like they were extremely reckless and negligent here. Why not apply for a permit and stay on the safe side? And with at least two reported incidents of these cars running red lights, it seems like driver training and attentiveness was lacking. If the software wasn't ready, fine, but you have to be aware of that and train your drivers to be 100%…
Here the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CdJ4oae8f4