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Re: Linux on the Mac – state of the union

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Post by joshlemer »

manyxcxi wrote: post #86
toodlebunions wrote: post #5

>>> "the realization that Apple no longer caters equally to casual and professional customers as it had in the past [YouTube video]. Instead, the company appears to be following an iOS-focused, margin-driven strategy that essentially relegates professionals to a fringe group." Ouch

What I don't get from the article, if I'm pissed about the hardware change why am I trying to run Linux on it/my old one? A) You keep your old laptop and continue to run macOS for as long as possible B) You're shopping for a new laptop and don't buy Apple, then run Linux If you keep your old hardware why run Linux on it? I've been looking at who else is out there are making decent laptops that run Linux well (open to…

Have you taken a look at the Razer Blade? It is basically equivalent to the Macbook pro's hardware in every way, except black, an i7, a touchscreen, and an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060, and a bit less expensive. I just got one. I haven't put Linux on it yet, but I'm pretty blown away with the hardware.

Re: Linux on the Mac – state of the union

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Post by ac2u »

l1k wrote: post #87
s_dev wrote: post #84

If Linux could utilise battery as well as MacOS or OS X I'd switch in a heartbeat. Obviously Apple have some proprietary battery magic as neither Linux, BSD or Windows can seem to get 50% of the battery life out of MacBook Pros and this is a significant cost on a laptop - otherwise dual booting for me will remain the best compromise.

First of all, macOS power manages devices too aggressively: I've noticed that if I ssh from another computer into my MacBook Pro (booted into macOS and connected to wired Ethernet), the connection becomes unresponsive after a few seconds of inactivity. I have to ping from the MacBook Pro to a machine on the LAN to make the ssh connection responsive again. It looks like macOS suspends the BCM 57765 Ethernet controller…

http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/3026/what-options-se...

Would these options help?

Re: Linux on the Mac – state of the union

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Post by artursapek »

joshlemer wrote: post #91
manyxcxi wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I don't get from the article, if I'm pissed about the hardware change why am I trying to run Linux on it/my old one? A) You keep your old laptop and continue to run macOS for as long as possible B) You're shopping for a new laptop and don't buy Apple, then run Linux If you keep your old hardware why run Linux on it? I've been looking at who else is out there are making decent laptops that run Linux well (open to…

Have you taken a look at the Razer Blade? It is basically equivalent to the Macbook pro's hardware in every way, except black, an i7, a touchscreen, and an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060, and a bit less expensive. I just got one. I haven't put Linux on it yet, but I'm pretty blown away with the hardware.

Wow, that looks like an MBPro clone. I've never heard of this company. I wonder if its machines work well with Linux?

Re: Linux on the Mac – state of the union

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Post by will_hughes »

manyxcxi wrote: post #86
toodlebunions wrote: post #5

>>> "the realization that Apple no longer caters equally to casual and professional customers as it had in the past [YouTube video]. Instead, the company appears to be following an iOS-focused, margin-driven strategy that essentially relegates professionals to a fringe group." Ouch

What I don't get from the article, if I'm pissed about the hardware change why am I trying to run Linux on it/my old one? A) You keep your old laptop and continue to run macOS for as long as possible B) You're shopping for a new laptop and don't buy Apple, then run Linux If you keep your old hardware why run Linux on it? I've been looking at who else is out there are making decent laptops that run Linux well (open to…

See Dell's XPS line. The 15" variants go up to 32GB ram.

Re: Linux on the Mac – state of the union

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Post by rhodysurf »

s_dev wrote: post #84

If Linux could utilise battery as well as MacOS or OS X I'd switch in a heartbeat. Obviously Apple have some proprietary battery magic as neither Linux, BSD or Windows can seem to get 50% of the battery life out of MacBook Pros and this is a significant cost on a laptop - otherwise dual booting for me will remain the best compromise.

50 percent might be an exaggeration. I use linux on the 2013 MBP and get about 8 hours using Arch Linux and around 9 using macOS Sierra

Re: Linux on the Mac – state of the union

#96

Post by l1k »

skynetv2 wrote: post #76
l1k wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's say you're a penetration tester, you're on-site trying to break into a network, have no Internet connectivity (e.g. because you're in a shielded data center or don't want to raise suspicion) and need to crack some passwords. 5x Skylake CPU + 5x Polaris GPU would be a sufficiently beefy platform for Hashcat, and it would fit into your backpack. Or let's say you want to quickly set up a Hadoop cluster to crunch s…

Can you run network stack at 40 Gbps on those ports?

Yes, but as stated in the article only on macOS or Linux on non-Macs. Not with Linux on Macs unfortunately. Someone needs to scrutinize the Intel-developed code for non-Macs, figure out how to port it to Andreas Noever's driver, and fill in the missing parts by reversing the macOS driver.

Also, the Alpine Ridge controllers are attached with PCIe 3.0 4x lanes, that's 31.504 GBit/s, so you can't exhaust the available bandwidth fully.

Re: Linux on the Mac – state of the union

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Post by artursapek »

ttflee wrote: post #73

Why not adopt the Windows Subsystem for Linux (i.e., Ubuntu and bash.exe) strategy?

I bought a Thinkpad recently and was intending to use that for day-to-day development. It was pretty good but important parts of tmux just didn't work, so I just gave up and installed Linux on the machine (which I'm enjoying a lot).

Re: Linux on the Mac – state of the union

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Post by tkxxx7 »

artursapek wrote: post #93
joshlemer wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you taken a look at the Razer Blade? It is basically equivalent to the Macbook pro's hardware in every way, except black, an i7, a touchscreen, and an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060, and a bit less expensive. I just got one. I haven't put Linux on it yet, but I'm pretty blown away with the hardware.

Wow, that looks like an MBPro clone. I've never heard of this company. I wonder if its machines work well with Linux?

There was an article last week stating they don't support Linux out of the box (or at least not Ubuntu), but I don't remember details regarding how much work is required to get it running.

Re: Linux on the Mac – state of the union

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Post by izacus »

josephg wrote: post #72
wyclif wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The perception, as displayed in this thread, is that they are. Plus the overwhelming negativity from developers regarding the new MBP, as seen in numerous HN threads and other tech news stories. I don't really have any stock in whether the perception is a reality or not, so I'm willing to be persuaded. Hopefully in the next iteration the MBP will have at least 32GB RAM, and they will make a move that will please the…

> I don't really have any stock in whether the perception is a reality or not, so I'm willing to be persuaded. Apple said it was their best laptop launch by sales volume ever. (Although that is partially due to such a long wait from their previous model.) Honestly I'm not that surprised - despite all the hate online I know 2-3 developers who bought them on or near launch day and several others who started salivating…

The constant crashing, touchbar bugs (a few times it didn't even turn on!), graphical corruption, obvious cheapskating (no extension cable, non-data charging USB cable, bad keyboard backlight, no more cable holders on power brick and more) are the larger disappointments with this machine :/

Re: Linux on the Mac – state of the union

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Post by l1k »

ubernostrum wrote: post #6
toodlebunions wrote: post #5

>>> "the realization that Apple no longer caters equally to casual and professional customers as it had in the past [YouTube video]. Instead, the company appears to be following an iOS-focused, margin-driven strategy that essentially relegates professionals to a fringe group." Ouch

Except this is largely based on mythology. People seem to equate "pro user" with "software developer" (and no other roles/occupations at all), and invent a fictitious history in which the Macbook Pro was jumping up and down on stage shouting "DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!" Except that never happened. The perceived dev-friendliness of the Macbook Pro was a historical accident: it turns out that when you build so…

No that is not mythology, Apple specifically targeted developers in the past, such as in this 2002 commercial featuring a stereotypical grey-bearded UNIX guru:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4AgFhIm1qs

Quote: "It's not just for artists. It's not just for pointy-headed intellectuals from California. It's for us, it's for programmers, it's for developers."

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