Male monkeys manipulate females into lavishing them with attention by fighting.
Yeah, it's more a simple preference, not manipulation.
Female monkeys use wile to rally troops
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Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops
#92Humans do this too, on occasion. Apart from the obvious but difficult-to-verify night club anecdotes, here's a well-known historical example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_feather#World_War_I
It's really just staggering how little anybody understood about what they were really getting themselves into with WW1. All of the horrors of modern, industrial warfare unleashing themselves on a culture still steeped in Victorian attitudes, and general staffs that had absorbed the lessons of Sedan, rather than Petersburg or Mukden.
And yet 20 years later, the same but with much better technology.
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#93You had to get your sock-puppet account for such a low effort comment?! Hope your armor isn't impairing your movement too much.
Accusing him of being a sock-puppet and I'm going to assume the "armor" bit is either an allusion to "White Knighting" (Which is completely inaccurate here) or "Social Justice Warrior" which is an easy way for you to dismiss his views.
Bravo.
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
The joke is we're primates too, and human females do this all of the time, you can see this in the motif of two heros(one "good" and the other "bad") fighting for a female, "golddigger" being most of the time attributed to the female, to the psychological game called "Rapo" where a female entices a particular male's attention so that another male would fight the first male, and so an and so on. The joke is believing…
You don't have to believe all women are "wonderful" in order to find distasteful the notion that women evolved to manipulate men. Why not "men evolved to be dumb as rocks on the topic of what they put their penises into?" Equally applicable and evidence backed, no? Equally irrelevant to the topic at hand? But instead men are simultaneously superior and somehow at the mercy of these "manipulative women."
I would say that "dumb" has nothing to do about the topic in question since reproduction is probably one of the first goals of a male (non-human) and they will do whatever is needed to reach that goal. It isn't practically a choice for them.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
What the hell is going on here? Why are you being downvoted for politely asking for clarification?
Because the question is extremely stupid, he should take an extra 10 seconds and it should be obvious
In which sense is this "obvious", hubert123? I am really interested in what the comment meant by "restricted to humans". Try to be explicit in explaining.
Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops
#96You had to get your sock-puppet account for such a low effort comment?! Hope your armor isn't impairing your movement too much.
His dib at you is funny in the same way implying all women are gold diggers is funny.
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can do the work for yourself and search HN. I'm not going to sift through it all. If you're actually interested in knowing, take a few minutes.
You do it. You're the one making the claim. I've been on HN like 8 years and I'm wondering what you mean too.
He won't. He is very afraid that his perception is indeed skewed and that he may actually learn something. Just like some other commenters in this branch.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is also completely off the subject, but I expect that in few minutes all my comments disappear as [flagged]. I am -20 from my score before the few comments in this thread now. The OP's strongly offensive statement is still one of the top comments for this article. Maybe there is something in here to "learn" for you guys.
Complaining about downvoting is never productive. They are just internet points.
Internet points that prove the point. And, as predicted, most of my comments are [flagged] now. Do you see the little story this tells?
Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops
#99Males have evolved to extract resources from the environment. Females have evolved to extract resources from males.
Second comment from the top, "Women are gold diggers." Screencapping this for when HN's users claim they don't make the tech space awful for women.
Males also have evolved to extract resources from tech males, though sacrificing some self-safety in war ops, etc. Maybe because geeks always make fun of them in tech field. "Oh, those strong males are so stupid, they can only take taxes and play with their tanks." They have no chance to get smart and enter the club.
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is this really manipulation or is it just sexual selection for bravery/aggression/dominance? What's the difference?
Maybe it's a way to deny them agency and therefore moral responsibility for the results of their actions?
Do monkeys have morals? (Legitimate question.)