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Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

#91

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Well, I simply uninstalled the whole thing. Will download drivers manually now. Same for razer synapse. Anything that requires me to have an account for no obvious reason has no place on my system.

I created an account named something like fuckyou just for making me sign up. Now they email me addressing me as "fuck you. Have you seen.." :/

As an option I sometimes register an account with fake email like the one you can get from 10minutemail

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

#92

I'm surprised by the backlash against telemetry on HN. How else are you supposed to improve reliability of software used on tens of millions of devices with an ear infinite number of hardware and software permutations?

> How else are you supposed to improve reliability of software used on tens of millions of devices with an ear infinite number of hardware and software permutations?

By retrieving the relevant data only after abnormal behaviour and only after getting the user's permission each time you violate their privacy.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

#93
First, let me say that I think what they did was wrong and it should only be opt-in and clearly stated.

That said, having managed fleets of machines that were nominally running the "same" software, getting updates from all of them is a really powerful debugging tool. Once you get above about 1,000 machines logs comparison of all the machines immediately surfaces software issues (happens on all machines), connectivity issues (machines in a certain area), bad machines (unique problem signature), and environmental issues (time of day correlation with other things like power/temp/humidity/etc).

And that gives you a bit more courage to release things early because you'll see problems faster and can fix them.

So with a typical roll-out of 10% of the population followed by an additional 15% followed by the rest, you can catch a lot of errors and 75% of your population sees a really good experience (and in web services where 66% of the populations the minimum requirement for delivering rated service you can often get close to 100% uptime).

Does that justify their action? No. But since you really don't need everybody to participate to get the benefit I could see a path where you opt in for early access to drivers which requires the telmetry, and people who are ok waiting for the driver to be clean in the 'canary' population get a driver without telemetry.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

#94

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NVIDIA could release documentation on their hardware that would make it easier for Nouveau developers to do their work, but they don't. Nobody is asking for free labor on a low-marketshare OS.

NVIDIA's own linux drivers are excellent, they are considerably better than AMD's ones (reversal from the days of ATI), but they are closed source. NVIDIA released Linux drivers hand in hand with their Windows based ones, you get at least one update every month. So while it's true that you can't have a completely open source driver for NVIDIA you do have excellent Linux drivers. On the compute side NVIDIA's support f…

Unfortunately, Nvidia's proprietary drivers are excellent for features where the puck has been and not-so-excellent in features where the puck is going. See also Wayland support or switchable GPUs.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

#95

What's "GeForce Experience", "Wireless Controller" and "ShadowPlay services"? Do recent drivers always include the latter? How do I check for them? Are they kernel modules? In my case, all the nvidia drivers I see loaded are: $ lsmod | grep nv nvidia_drm 20480 1 drm 294912 3 nvidia_drm nvidia_uvm 704512 0 nvidia_modeset 770048 3 nvidia_drm nvidia 11866112 42 nvidia_modeset,nvidia_uvm

I thought it was pretty obvious it is about the Windows drivers.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

#96
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By at least allowing the user to opt out.

> By at least allowing the user to opt out. Rather: by requiring the user to opt in.

Don't get me wrong--I'd much prefer opt-in. I don't think that's realistic though given their leverage and what they are trying (in theory) to do with this data.

However to not provide an opt-out is a slap in the face to those who know enough to care. And it is an increasingly common trend that is very concerning.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

#97

I'm surprised by the backlash against telemetry on HN. How else are you supposed to improve reliability of software used on tens of millions of devices with an ear infinite number of hardware and software permutations?

The telemetry data isn't yours. It belongs to the user and exfiltrating it without user's permissions or even knowledge puts your software at the spyware level.

Do you really want your software to be considered spyware?

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

#100

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I noticed the same thing. It's ridiculous. Geforce Experience doesn't do anything I care about except auto-update drivers. Why do I need to log in for that?

you forgot game capture/streaming and automatic game setting optimization

anything he cares about. Windows has built in game capture, and I know how to adjust settings on my games myself.

The "experience" app is just superfluous bullshit.

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