To evoke maximum outrage, you should show AdMob mobile banner ads on the Touch Bar. First app to do it wins a free press cycle.
Enlargement ads would fit rather well ;)
Nyancat on the touchbar
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Re: Nyancat on the touchbar
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Steve Jobs, in 2008, on why touchscreen iMacs are bad http://www.technologizer.com/2008/10/14/my-question-with-ste... Steve Jobs, in 2010, on why touchscreen laptops are bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeNsqqKadQ4 Jonny Ive, last week, on why touchscreen laptops are bad https://www.cnet.com/special-reports/jony-ive-talks-about-pu...
Steve Jobs, in 2003, on why tablets are bad http://thenextweb.com/apple/2013/10/11/hear-steve-jobs-convi... Apple stood by this conviction until they started selling iPads. It's likely that they will maintain their position against touchscreen laptops only until they can make a reasonable profit selling them. I speculate that the reason for Apple not currently producing them, more than anything else, has to do with t…
That doesn't make sense. Apple has never been afraid to cannibalize a product line.
Re: Nyancat on the touchbar
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is your premise correct though? Will you need to move your head up and down? Isn't the touch bar will be in your field of vision? Considering zero part of my keyboard is in my field of vision I'd say yes I'd have to move my head up and down. I haven't had a chance to play with the new MacBook Pro yet but it seems like a reasonable assumption. > Even if your premise is true, is it better to move your head up and dow…
> Considering zero part of my keyboard is in my field of vision Zero? Is that even possible? When using a laptop, it's impossible to look at the display without being able to also look at the keyboard (and touchbar) by just moving your _eyes_. You don't have to move your head. I think your assumption is not reasonable at all.
> Zero? Is that even possible?
I don't look at my keyboard when typing so other than the slight realization that it is there on a laptop I never look at it (but yes it would technically be in my field of vision in this case but that misses the point). However on a desktop setup / docked laptop the keyboard isn't anywhere near where I could see it without significantly moving my head down.
Regardless discussing field of vision is more of a red herring in this debate; it's really about the eye movement and context switching. I should have chosen different wording.
> When using a laptop, it's impossible to look at the display without being able to also look at the keyboard (and touchbar) by just moving your _eyes_. You don't have to move your head.
I think you confuse the physical act of moving ones head to be more disruptive than moving one's eyes. It's actually about the same when you're talking UX assuming the head is moving to change the field of vision. This is something you keep track of and many times head movement will be removed or ignored from testing data when you're tracking where the user is looking because you can move your head and still keep your eyes in one place.
Re: Nyancat on the touchbar
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#95So... just about the touchbar and not this particular project: The touchbar is on the keyboard, almost perpendicularly (and many times at an obtuse angle) opposite to the screen. So I have to move my head up and down all the time. This is not an issue with the regular keyboard because it has physical buttons which don't change their meaning, so I have memorized the layout and I can use my muscle memory. To avoid movi…
Ha, well said! I have grown to love the touch screen on my Chromebook pixel. Felt awkward to reach at first, but a non touch screen now feels really awkward. Not that the touch screen replaces all interaction, there are some things that are faster on the keyboard, touch pad, or touch screen. That said, touching other people's screens is not polite. With regards to the touch bar, seems like you could use software in c…
Same experience with my Pixel. Also, in some situations such as when training someone, being able to have them use the keyboard/track pad and then being able to move things forward by touching/zooming the screen when they get stuck is productive and doesn't interrupt flow.
Re: Nyancat on the touchbar
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Trackpad, mouse, etc, is not a good comparable. Unlike a trackpad or mouse, the touch bar is a video display. Being a display implies visual interaction, and the lack of physical feedback will make 'touch typing' the touch bar difficult.
Yes, it has a display component. I don't see how that implies it must always be used by looking at it. Keys (usually) have labels on them, yet many people don't use the labels as reference once they're accustomed to touch typing. Learning key commands can be a chore, requiring use of the manual or discovery through menus. Do you remember cards provided with some applications that included lists of command key command…
You're missing the 'physical feedback' component. People don't need to look at labels on keys, because they can feel the keys. A smooth bit of touchscreen has no 'landmarks' to orient yourself with.
> I completely agree that it is a new input device. Just not completely new
Yep. Lenovo introduced one a couple of years ago in their X1 Carbons. It was hated so much that it was stripped out of the next gen.
Ultimately, the only benefit of the touchbar is the ability to be used as a slider, but you lose discrete keys to get that. How many things would such a slider be useful for? People aren't changing their volume all that often, and what real difference is there between a slider and a pair of volume buttons (media keys) anyway?
Re: Nyancat on the touchbar
#97So... just about the touchbar and not this particular project: The touchbar is on the keyboard, almost perpendicularly (and many times at an obtuse angle) opposite to the screen. So I have to move my head up and down all the time. This is not an issue with the regular keyboard because it has physical buttons which don't change their meaning, so I have memorized the layout and I can use my muscle memory. To avoid movi…
> So I have to move my head up and down all the time.
No you don't have to. You can simply move your eyes. Also humans have this ability called "peripheral vision". Not to mention using the touchbar is optional. If you want to memorise all the key combinations, you're fine.
I think we should stop guessing about a new UI method before we actually try it.
Re: Nyancat on the touchbar
#98So... just about the touchbar and not this particular project: The touchbar is on the keyboard, almost perpendicularly (and many times at an obtuse angle) opposite to the screen. So I have to move my head up and down all the time. This is not an issue with the regular keyboard because it has physical buttons which don't change their meaning, so I have memorized the layout and I can use my muscle memory. To avoid movi…
Rest assured that Apple has thought about this a lot more than you have, and this is the solution they came up with. Touching a screen is pretty tiring for your arms; imagine if you had no trackpad but instead had to tap everything on the screen of your laptop. I assure you that very few people touch type the function keys; they will not be missed. The escape key I will miss, but how much I don't know.
> Touching a screen is pretty tiring for your arms
Only if you're touching it constantly, without interruption, which is a very unusual use-case. Most instances are a quick tap on a dialogue button and then back to the resting / typing position.
Anyhow, extending my arm to touch the screen feels little different to reaching for my Dell 'media keys' ( in the same location as Apple's Touch Bar ); just a slightly different vector. In either case I have to break my home-row poise, but when touching the screen at least I don't have to break my eyes-on-screen-focus whilst my finger comes into view.
I like the idea up-thread of an alternative position for the Touch Bar below the screen, usually reserved for a logo which loiters uselessly but subliminally in my peripheral vision.
Re: Nyancat on the touchbar
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
Steve Jobs, in 2003, on why tablets are bad http://thenextweb.com/apple/2013/10/11/hear-steve-jobs-convi... Apple stood by this conviction until they started selling iPads. It's likely that they will maintain their position against touchscreen laptops only until they can make a reasonable profit selling them. I speculate that the reason for Apple not currently producing them, more than anything else, has to do with t…
That doesn't make sense. Apple has never been afraid to cannibalize a product line.
Apple under Jobs was never afraid to cannibalize a product line.
Re: Nyancat on the touchbar
#100To evoke maximum outrage, you should show AdMob mobile banner ads on the Touch Bar. First app to do it wins a free press cycle.
Don't give anyone ideas.
Of course it'll be done.
Here I am with an iPhone 6s, and on the average site I see less content than I did on WAP - many sites are 80/20 or worse on mobile.
How long until hardware manufacturers include dedicated advertising displays in exchange for cheaper up-front hardware?