Great! Now that these easy, low-hanging-fruit features are taken care of, maybe we'll get some of the more involved security oriented ones, like, IDK, having an indication if I verified a contact or not so I can, you know, know whether I should verify or not when the opportunity presents itself.
Signal and Giphy
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Re: Signal and Giphy
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
And when she has them, it'll be something different ridiculous. Seriously, this is what whatsapp is for. I don't see why we have to dump down EVERYTHING for those people. From my own experience the biggest reason is that "my friends are elsewhere". I force my gf to use signal, her mother started to use it too because of that and because she wants to have PC problems solved by me. Same goes for other people that want…
You call it 'dumb down', I call "useful way of communication". Gifs are a form of communication. You might not use it, but most people do. Signal will not get traction because people want to have their PC problems fixed by Nerd friends. My IT club group chat are all nerds, yet we still do not use Signal, because things like gifs were missing. The Strategy of Signal is to make a mass market chat client that is save. N…
> Gifs are a form of communication. You might not use it, but most people do.
Just like most people use whatsapp and I don't want to stop them at all. BUT there is a demand for a secure communication application that does just this. Secure communication.
I don't say they should never put in funny gifs or whatever is fancy or trendy aka "necessary" today when they are done with it and when it does not risk the main claim of the product at all.
But seeing that the priorities switch to really unnecessary stuff when there are so many important things that could be done with that, is sad and bringing in a bunch of trendy kids ideas in there won't help at all. You may be happy with your gifs then but if this is the case, and those are the features you consider important, you many be more of a problem for this product and the claim then a gain. And honestly, Signal survived without it, it wouldn't die not having it.
> My IT club group chat are all nerds, yet we still do not use Signal, because things like gifs were missing.
So what do you say? Would your "IT club" fall apart without it? Would you switch to unsecure messaging without it? If yes: Signal should not care about you at all because the marked is already covered with alternatives better suited for you. If no: why are you arguing with me?
Edit: my god...I misread that in your favour. You really don't use Signal because there is no gif search in it....this is...I don't even..
> The Strategy of Signal is to make a mass market chat client that is save. Not a nerd utopia chat client.
If their priorities are gif search and not an account without a number, secure contact sharing or all those other requests that have been out there, they will end up being not more then what WhatsApp is atm. If you think this is a viable marketing method, you should join a economics club instead.
> I don't remember my mother asking for reproducible APK compilation.
I was talking about the app in general. We have enough apps out there with fancy trending useless crap you miss so much. It even uses the same encryption. We don't need more of the same.
Re: Signal and Giphy
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
And when she has them, it'll be something different ridiculous. Seriously, this is what whatsapp is for. I don't see why we have to dump down EVERYTHING for those people. From my own experience the biggest reason is that "my friends are elsewhere". I force my gf to use signal, her mother started to use it too because of that and because she wants to have PC problems solved by me. Same goes for other people that want…
Encryption is only really useful when everybody participates. Otherwise you just have to arrest the people using it. So dumbing it down is actually pretty important.
If we reach a level where people get arrested for using an app, it doesn't really matter how many there are. See Turkey.
Re: Signal and Giphy
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
It clutters the UI with unecessary stuff. Wire also provides such a misfeature. I would rather disable it, but cannot.
You have to specifically click a button to use it. That's a good compromise between jumping through hoops to enable it if opt-in.
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Re: Signal and Giphy
#95It makes me sad so see that they waste time on decoration like gif search but they don't have a client I can use on my PC for example.
Read this article yesterday (https://www.techinasia.com/line-dev-day), and the introduction was eye-opening. tl;dr people like that extra stuff in messaging apps.
Re: Signal and Giphy
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It's not an Android phone. Android has either on screen Navigation Bar or Physical Navigation Bar not both.
What are you on about? You can enable on-screen buttons while still having physical capacitive buttons. http://m.imgur.com/u5hcJYQ Many 3rd party custom ROMs have the feature, including CyanogenMod, the most widespread open-source build of AOSP.
Not on stock Samsung phones.
Re: Signal and Giphy
#97It makes me sad so see that they waste time on decoration like gif search but they don't have a client I can use on my PC for example.
I think the key thing is not to sacrifice performance for form. Add all the stickers, GIFs, bots and other fancy features you want. But never let load time get under 200ms. Lots of people talking about how this makes it more broadly applicable but Facebook didn't just beat MySpace on simplicity of use and Farmville access, they also beat them on speed and reliability. Not mutually exclusive either. Keep up the good work.
Re: Signal and Giphy
#98It makes me sad so see that they waste time on decoration like gif search but they don't have a client I can use on my PC for example.
Read this article yesterday ( https://www.techinasia.com/line-dev-day ), and the introduction was eye-opening. tl;dr people like that extra stuff in messaging apps.
Sure they do. But how this go together with security awareness? We are talking about a different market here and as I've posted somewhere else: sure we can have all that trendy crap in there at some point but please don't move that BEFORE the bigger issues out there. Let's not forget that we are talking about a free app here. If this app is being developed with an eye on monetizing at some point, chances are it will become insecure with that and just join the rows of chat apps out there already covering all that trending features. Which will lead to a different app covering the needs of people who use Signal today because they need secure messaging not another app with dancing puppies.
Re: Signal and Giphy
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At what point has Signal ever indicated that they were targeting users that were trying to send documents to wikileaks (or require similar levels of privacy/security). They have consistently said they are trying to build a messaging app that normal people want to use over stopping targeted attacks. eg [0] [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10665520
Well, than I guess I got the wrong idea about them. I thought WhatsApp was supposed to be "for the common people", and Signal was more targeted towards the paranoid.
Signal is suitable to the paranoid, while targeting "normal" people. Snowden uses it, so that's a good indicator for the paranoid.
Similar: If my mom uses it as well, that doesn't mean she's paranoid. (And I'm not saying that you said this.) And interestingly, knowing some paranoid people (by disease not profession), they usually don't care about this.
Re: Signal and Giphy
#100Now if only my friends would use the service!