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Tesla reports first quarterly profit in more than three years

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Re: Tesla reports first quarterly profit in more than three years

#91
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"Of 20 analysts covering the company, seven have a "sell" rating on the stock, four rate it "buy" or higher and nine have a "hold", according to Thomson Reuters data." === proof that something is very wrong with a world defined by speculators

How is a company with a market cap of $32 billion making a $20 million quarterly profit proof that something is wrong with people who think that company might be overvalued? Stock ratings are not about how a company is doing but about how a company is doing relative to its price.

Fair enough. Although, it was not a critic of how they are doing their job -which I am sure they do admirably- but on the nature of their metric and the inherent shortsightedness of their choices for mankind as a whole. An easy thought experiment would paint a very dark portrait of our future if the world was completely ruled by speculators: why would they favour risks and ideals? Why would they favour companies trying to change the status quo ? It takes courage, not planning and reason, to change the world for the best. It takes a strong philosophical stance to always keep looking at the horizon and have a measuring stick going above and beyond a comparison with more immediately viable solutions or even more profitable long term solutions. If the world was ruled by speculation, it would make more sense to promote fast food, dumb tv shows, fear, envy, and all sentiment inviting blind consumerism. Speculation has been a driving force for development in the past, now it is too dehumanised, algorithmically sound and too fast for any ideals to settle in.

Re: Tesla reports first quarterly profit in more than three years

#92
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Q3 email specifically said it was to boost sales to show profitability. You can find it via Google, it was publicly leaked. That doesn't make your latter point wrong though, that was probably true too!

I checked the Q3 email [1] and while it is indeed about motivating their teams to reach profitability, it doesn't mention any discount.

Here you go:

[1] http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-06/full-text-...

Re: Tesla reports first quarterly profit in more than three years

#93
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the EV tax credit never goes to Tesla it goes to the consumer. The figures also exclude the CARB ZEV credits.

Doesn't the credit go to Tesla when it is leased?

It goes to the bank that handles the lease.

Re: Tesla reports first quarterly profit in more than three years

#94
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't BMW update models roughly on the same schedule every year?

No, there is no "schedule every year": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_5_Series

There is a difference between the platform update, and model year updates.

Re: Tesla reports first quarterly profit in more than three years

#95
post #37

I'm impressed and skeptical of the substantial increase in production. A 70% increase in production in one year would likely require substantial changes in the production stages. Hopefully Tesla didn't cut any corners to hit this production number; I'm hopeful that they just scaled back their production initially and now show their "full potential", or added a lot of new machinery in their production line(s). Maybe t…

They've been achieving production increases like that for years now. 70% YoY isn't anything special or remarkable for Tesla at this point.

Re: Tesla reports first quarterly profit in more than three years

#96

The Economist recently did a good article on the financing of Elon Musk's companies that flew under the radar of Hacker News that probably warranted further discussion [1] [2]. (Though the author of that piece completely misses the relative importance of each company to Musk, suggesting "he could try to sell [...] SpaceX, through gritted teeth, to a defence firm") It's unfortunate there's a bit of a reality distortio…

> Maybe because everyone wants his companies to succeed... Surely the only ones who don't want dramatically cheaper space launches, cheaper, widely available solar PV installations and attractive, affordable electric vehicles are deeply entrenched incumbents whose continued profitability involves polluting the planet, or those who really hate the environment for whatever reason. There are valid criticisms you can lev…

I don't have anything against Musk. I simply don't care much one way or the other because the things he's working on will never affect me.

Electric cars are not something I'm interested in owning at the price Tesla is asking. Or even half what Tesla is asking.

Utility electricity works fine for me, is a small fraction of my monthly budget, and is reliable. I.e. something I never really worry about. Payments for and maintenance of a personal PV system do not interest me.

Space travel? Again if he wants to spend his money there, fine. But I don't see it changing my life.

I am not an entrenched encumbent either. I just drive cheap, old cars and have no interest in visiting Mars. I don't even care for conventional air travel.

Re: Tesla reports first quarterly profit in more than three years

#97

Really great news! But something that shouldn't be overlooked is the discounts they gave in Q3 to push deliveries up. First, those that know me know that I am a Tesla FANATIC. My girlfriend once challenged me to not talk about Tesla (motors, energy, something) for a 24 hour period. I dunno if I've ever done that honestly. I'm also an owner (no surprise given my fanaticism, lucky to be able to afford one). And I also…

Out of interest, what levels of discount were on offer?

Re: Tesla reports first quarterly profit in more than three years

#98
post #7

Direct link to the letter: http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ABEA-4CW8X0/310041501... > Total Q3 GAAP revenue was $2.30 billion, up 145% from Q3 2015, while total Q3 gross margin was 27.7%, compared to 21.6% in Q2. Total automotive revenue was $2.15 billion on a GAAP basis, up 152% from Q3 2015. Our final Q3 delivery count was 24,821,over 300 more than the estimated delivery count we shared on October 2nd. Deliv…

> We achieved record production levels in Q3, rising to 25,185 vehicles for an increase of 37% from Q2 and an increase of 92% from Q3 last year. An almost 100% production increase Year over Year, they said it couldn't be done and yet here we are.

Compare with Toyota's annual production of approximately 9 million vehicles for some perspective.

Re: Tesla reports first quarterly profit in more than three years

#99
post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't the credit go to Tesla when it is leased?

It goes to the bank that handles the lease.

I guess that is my confusion, I thought Tesla was originating the lease.

Re: Tesla reports first quarterly profit in more than three years

#100

The biggest news in this release is gross margin. Gross Margin Jumped from 26.7% in Q2 to 33.2% in Q3. For reference, MRQ, GM gross margin: 13.9% Toyota: 23.6% VW: 19.9% Granted, those are not luxury auto makers, but Tesla is more profitable on a gross margin basis. That margin fuels everything from cash flow to R&D spending. 33% for an automaker is huge.

Yup, and as battery prices drop those margins are going to get even better(although I doubt we'll see the same level on the Model 3).

Only if they can sustain prices as competition comes online from other makers.
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