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Combine that with ensuring that your child's computer is in a public place, not their bedroom. Not really practical advice in an era of tablets and mobiles.

Very practical - don't give your <12yo child a tablet or smartphone. They're not necessary parts of human existence, and certainly not of a child's existence.

of course, how we parents didn't think of that before!

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Something has to be done. It's not just about porn or violence of NSFL etc... but there is a serious problem on the internet, that is always lambasted with the "Won't somebody think of the children" memes. When society has reached a point that anybody with internet access can, simply by 'accidentally' going to the wrong website, be exposed to imagery that really is not going to help them be well-adjusted in life, wit…

1. Sure, the open Internet is not a child-safe network. 2. Changing the Internet to be child-safe would mean adding restrictions such that it changes into a non-open network. 3. People who like the Internet the way it is, don't want this to happen. This explains > some people feel very strongly that even questioning the situation is wrong -- they will cede no point that could support measures that would close up the…

Thank you. A good set of points.

Except 7. Facebook is a different problem ;)

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Something has to be done. It's not just about porn or violence of NSFL etc... but there is a serious problem on the internet, that is always lambasted with the "Won't somebody think of the children" memes. When society has reached a point that anybody with internet access can, simply by 'accidentally' going to the wrong website, be exposed to imagery that really is not going to help them be well-adjusted in life, wit…

Isn't it better to assume nothing is safe for children and to leave the internet as the wild wild west that it is? Have the Government set up their own CA to sign the stuff they approve of. A child safe web browser would just disregard anything that doesn't have a valid certificate.

That raises some interesting ideas.

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Something has to be done. It's not just about porn or violence of NSFL etc... but there is a serious problem on the internet, that is always lambasted with the "Won't somebody think of the children" memes. When society has reached a point that anybody with internet access can, simply by 'accidentally' going to the wrong website, be exposed to imagery that really is not going to help them be well-adjusted in life, wit…

There is a serious problem with this stuff on the Internet, but there are existing private solutions you can install either on devices or routers to address this question. Have you tried these solutions and how well do they work?

The big problem is: how far do you extend the block?

I mean, if you let me write the blocklist I'd put the Daily Mail on it (persistent racism, homophobia/transphobia leading to suicide, and the sexually exploitative "sidebar of shame" commenting on women's bodies). I can't imagine getting universal support for that opinion. Other people might go in the other direction and demand that all material that even mentions homosexuality be banned.

If I had kids, I'd definitely want to block them from reddit and 4chan until at least mid-teens. I note that, on my EE mobile phone, there is some URL filtering that blocks NSFW subreddits (and also a few random blogs for no discernable reason). But it only works on http, not https, making it kind of a figleaf.

Second real, difficult to address problem: use of social media for bullying. This includes nonconsensual circulation of nudes (tricky one: should be severely punished, but not by putting kids on the sex offender registry).

I went to school in an era when, if you wanted to get adult material off the internet, you had to wait for the guy who had the modem to download it to floppy disks and circulate it in the playground. Now consider trying to block "samizdat" porn on SD cards.

(Also, wasn't there a thing on HN a while back about attempting and failing to automatically detect people building penises in LEGO's MMO?)

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Something has to be done. It's not just about porn or violence of NSFL etc... but there is a serious problem on the internet, that is always lambasted with the "Won't somebody think of the children" memes. When society has reached a point that anybody with internet access can, simply by 'accidentally' going to the wrong website, be exposed to imagery that really is not going to help them be well-adjusted in life, wit…

> Something has to be done.

This is something. Therefore, this has to be done.

Before internet porn became a thing, we were warned by various people about the harm that pornography does, and in particular, how it increases the incidence of rapes and sexual assaults, and is bad for the status of women in society. It was being proposed that it be banned outright.

Now that pornography is widespread, and free, has there been an explosion of rapes and sexual violence?

The UK Government which is allegedly proposing this is led by a woman. So are the governments of Scotland, Germany, Norway, and various other countries. I expect the United States will soon have a president who is a woman. I don't think the status of women has suffered.

The UK Government now has its work cut out mitigating the harm caused by the EU referendum vote. It should be concentrating on that and mitigating its impact.

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post #80

Something has to be done. It's not just about porn or violence of NSFL etc... but there is a serious problem on the internet, that is always lambasted with the "Won't somebody think of the children" memes. When society has reached a point that anybody with internet access can, simply by 'accidentally' going to the wrong website, be exposed to imagery that really is not going to help them be well-adjusted in life, wit…

This is not a problem that needs solving. It's hard to "accidentally" run across something really harmful on the internet. And run of the mill porn isn't. By the time your kid knows what's going on in those pictures the cat's out of the bag. My wife and I admitted to each other once that we first downloaded porn around age 10-11 (over our 2400 baud modems!) We turned out, by all accounts, normal and well adjusted. So…

The chilling part is when this measure "works" in everybody psyche guilt and makes all people feel they are guilty unless proven innocent (of a non-crime, but for social engineering purposes that last bit is irrelevant). It's really hard to believe this is for real.
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