It seems that Haruki Murakami is the Leonardo DiCaprio of Nobel prizes.
What is your favorite book by him? I've only read once thus far. "What I talk about when I talk about running"
The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan
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#92Bob Dylan was never a rebel. He was a generic pop singer loved by basics for generations.
Generic? Pop? Hmm, I think you must be trolling.
The music industry packaged up singers like Dylan for whichever vertical they needed. Anyone who was able to navigate that system as successfully as he did was certainly not a rebel and the music itself was nothing extraordinarily unique if you look into the long tail of music being made at the time. It's like saying 7-Up is the uncola and you are rejecting the establishment by drinking it instead of Coke.
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#93It seems that Haruki Murakami is the Leonardo DiCaprio of Nobel prizes.
I can't upvote this enough. I have a degree in physics, but even so every year around this time for about the past decade I pay more attention to the literature prize, waiting for him to get recognized. The last chapter of Colorless Tsukuru hit me so hard I cried, and immediately went out of my way to get an autographed copy. His novels have certainly helped me transition into adulthood, and I think he definitely deserves the prize.
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The Nobel peace prize has little to do with the 'real' Nobel prizes or Nobel committee. It's administered by an entirely different organization, in a different country and with different rules and criteria.
> It's administered by an entirely different organization, in a different country and with different rules and criteria. This part is true, but that's because Nobel explicitly specified it this way. The peace prize is one of the original "real" ones. As opposed to the one for economics, which was made up later by others. (And, well, that contributions to world peace are judged by "different rules and criteria" than p…
You're right that a basic failure here is the way the prize was set up. Unlike the Chemistry, Physics, Physiology or Medicine, and Literature prizes, which are awarded by actual practitioners in those fields, the peace prize is awarded by whatever 5 people the Norwegian Parliament selects that year. Neither these people nor the Parliament selecting them necessarily have anything to do with "work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses", unfortunately. As a result, they don't seem to have quite as strong an incentive to make good choices, on either a personal or institutional level, as the selection processes for the other Nobel prizes.
I think this difference in _who_ is doing the awarding and how they are related to the people receiving the awards is what dagw was trying to get at above. It's the difference between experts in a field selecting prizes for other members of their field and democratically-elected politicians playing political football with prizes in a field they themselves are totally not involved in and likely not much interested in to start with. :(
Re: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan
#96Come writers and critics Who prophesize with your pen And keep your eyes wide The chance won't come again And don't speak too soon For the wheel's still in spin And there's no tellin' who That it's namin' For the loser now Will be later to win For the times they are a-changin'.
Oh, but you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face For now's the time for your tears
Great song - for those wondering, it is The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carrol by Bob Dylan. I think the lyrics are more powerful in context of the rest of the song[0].
0- https://play.google.com/music/preview/Tjwyq4ppzw6s7xatkamydg...
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#97It boggles my mind how people still are paying attention to the nobel's price. Other examples of useless shit they done: * giving Obama the peace price after he failed to shut down Guantanamo * giving president of Colombia the peace price after he failed to make peace with FARC.
I think the president of Colombia is not an unreasonable choice. The selection criterion set out by Nobel in his will for the Peace Prize is "done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses". He has in fact been doing work in those directions, and it has in fact been good work. It hasn't been completely successful, but it also hasn't entirely failed yet (e.g. FARC is not back to open fighting, now is it?) and I think there is a very good chance that it will in fact succeed. We can start arguing about whether it was "the most" or "the best", but I think it's hard to argue that it wasn't substantive work aimed at the things Nobel's criteria indicate.
The Obama thing I agree was rather ridiculous, as were various other Peace Prize awards.
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Generic? Pop? Hmm, I think you must be trolling.
The music industry packaged up singers like Dylan for whichever vertical they needed. Anyone who was able to navigate that system as successfully as he did was certainly not a rebel and the music itself was nothing extraordinarily unique if you look into the long tail of music being made at the time. It's like saying 7-Up is the uncola and you are rejecting the establishment by drinking it instead of Coke.
You're hilarious.