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Re: Apple Responds to Dash Controversy

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Post by stephen_g »

mmel wrote: post #13

So there's an incentive to write fraudulent, positive reviews for your competitors apps. Noted.

No, you have to have an account that your competitor opened with their own credit card and gave to you, and then you publish an app for that account and buy fraudulent reviews for it.

The account that the fraud happened on, and all the other accounts that appear 'linked' will be closed.

The issue was with the account he gave to his relative, which Apple probably assumed was his account because it used the same credit card and test devices registered to both accounts.

Re: Apple Responds to Dash Controversy

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Post by fatbird »

daeken wrote: post #3

There's proof, but we're not going to link it because ... reasons. Why would they not include any proof that might exist?

Because they don't want to set a precedent of going before the developer public as a jury they need to satisfy. Seriously, if I were Apple reading threads like this, I'd solve the PR problem by fixing the issue with Kapelli--which it sounds like they're doing by unlinking the accounts.

I would strenuously avoid making the HN community feel more entitled than it already does to all the technical details so it can be endlessly armchair litigated.

Re: Apple Responds to Dash Controversy

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Post by galacticpony »

Mithaldu wrote: post #62
jwilcoxson wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately The Loop isn't much of a news site, more of a controlled Apple leak blog. Dalrymple has gotten to the point of being a complete Apple shill. Edit: Compare the tone of the Loop article to Daring Fireballs: http://daringfireball.net/2016/10/apple_dash_controversy Gruber takes a much more unbiased approach, supported well. The Loop article reads like a statement from the Principal read by your teacher.

And here's Kapeli's explanation of what happened: https://blog.kapeli.com/dash-and-apple-my-side-of-the-story !!! it includes a recording of a phone call with Apple !!! Edit: After listening to the first 2 minutes of the call, i can say with absolute confidence that Apple is straight-up blackmailing him. I would love to hear opinions on whether this is something that could be taken to court. Here's the HN submission…

After listening to the entire thing, I can say that Kapeli sounds like a complete ignoramus.

He has registered an account using his credentials, the account was involved in fraudulent activity, that makes him responsible, as an individual. Why is Apple supposed to even care that he doesn't control the other account anymore? He's supposed to control the account, according to the terms of service he agreed to. If he doesn't control it and he doesn't want to be responsible, he has to close it.

Apple is giving him the opportunity to get back to having a business relationship, but he doesn't understand the problem. Apparently, neither do many of the other users on here. Apple has every right to terminate their business relationship,so how is it blackmail? It's more like a plea bargain...

Re: Apple Responds to Dash Controversy

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Post by Mithaldu »

galacticpony wrote: post #93
Mithaldu wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And here's Kapeli's explanation of what happened: https://blog.kapeli.com/dash-and-apple-my-side-of-the-story !!! it includes a recording of a phone call with Apple !!! Edit: After listening to the first 2 minutes of the call, i can say with absolute confidence that Apple is straight-up blackmailing him. I would love to hear opinions on whether this is something that could be taken to court. Here's the HN submission…

After listening to the entire thing, I can say that Kapeli sounds like a complete ignoramus. He has registered an account using his credentials, the account was involved in fraudulent activity, that makes him responsible, as an individual. Why is Apple supposed to even care that he doesn't control the other account anymore? He's supposed to control the account, according to the terms of service he agreed to. If he do…

Please read and listen again. He did not register the account, nor use his credentials (if he had, apple's contact attempts would've reached him). He only paid for it, and donated hardware.

Re: Apple Responds to Dash Controversy

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Post by galacticpony »

Mithaldu wrote: post #88
Crosseye_Jack wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Listening to the recording it seems that they do want to get the account reinstated but want Kapeli to release a statement on why the account was deactivated. Which after reading the post and listening to the recording on why Apple hit the account it seems fair after all this has gone public. (Kapeli set up an account for a relative using his CC, gave them some of his old hardware and it's that account that was caugh…

It doesn't matter what he has to admit or not. The issue lies in this sentence: > What Apple has done: on Friday they told me they’d reactivate my account if I’d make a blog post admitting some wrongdoing. The "if" is the problem here. Had Apple said "we'll reinstate your account AND please make a blog post stating xyz" everything would be fine. Making it conditional on the post despite being their mistake is just re…

It wasn't their mistake, it was his mistake. You can't just register an account, then hand it off to someone else and not be at least partially responsible for what happens through that account.

If Apple didn't want to avoid the bad PR, they could just terminate their business relationship permanently, and they'd be in the right, even morally, since it was Kapeli who violated the trust.

Re: Apple Responds to Dash Controversy

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Post by Crosseye_Jack »

snowpanda wrote: post #94
jwilcoxson wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Call recording != wire tapping. Not that Apple will take kindly to it either way...

Call recording is not illegal in every state.

Isn't Kapeli from Romania? In which case - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws#Roman...

Re: Apple Responds to Dash Controversy

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Post by Mithaldu »

galacticpony wrote: post #96
Mithaldu wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter what he has to admit or not. The issue lies in this sentence: > What Apple has done: on Friday they told me they’d reactivate my account if I’d make a blog post admitting some wrongdoing. The "if" is the problem here. Had Apple said "we'll reinstate your account AND please make a blog post stating xyz" everything would be fine. Making it conditional on the post despite being their mistake is just re…

It wasn't their mistake, it was his mistake. You can't just register an account, then hand it off to someone else and not be at least partially responsible for what happens through that account. If Apple didn't want to avoid the bad PR, they could just terminate their business relationship permanently, and they'd be in the right , even morally, since it was Kapeli who violated the trust.

As i told you on your other post: He didn't register it. He only paid for the initial fee and donated hardware.

Re: Apple Responds to Dash Controversy

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Post by newsat13 »

ParadoxOryx wrote: post #87
newsat13 wrote: post #14

Didn't the dash author say that it was inexplicably removed with no warning. Now this press release says otherwise... For people saying this was already in top of app store, well, there was rating manipulation. That's why it was on the top (?)

According to his blog post [1], it sounds like the other account that was engaged in fraudulent activity was notified, but "his" account was not. [1]: https://blog.kapeli.com/dash-and-apple-my-side-of-the-story

Can someone explain how 1 account can act "nefariously" ?

Re: Apple Responds to Dash Controversy

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Post by galacticpony »

Mithaldu wrote: post #95
galacticpony wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After listening to the entire thing, I can say that Kapeli sounds like a complete ignoramus. He has registered an account using his credentials, the account was involved in fraudulent activity, that makes him responsible, as an individual. Why is Apple supposed to even care that he doesn't control the other account anymore? He's supposed to control the account, according to the terms of service he agreed to. If he do…

Please read and listen again. He did not register the account, nor use his credentials (if he had, apple's contact attempts would've reached him). He only paid for it, and donated hardware.

The bank account used is credentials and Apple considers both accounts to belong to (quote) "the same legal entity" based on that fact. This is the way Apple conducts business.
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