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Re: Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

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Post by afsina »

bogomipz wrote: post #90
afsina wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it is worth, that quote was totally misunderstood and turned into a smear campaign. Context is this, some people in Turkey loves to attack people/politicians for their ethnicity. And I guess some people called him Georgian or Armenian descendant. However, some said it as "Ermeni dölü" - a little hard to translate - "from Armenian seed (or semen)". During his speech he says exactly this: "They called me Georg…

Before down voting me, please provide a source that includes the whole context then and substantiates your claim. And this is not the only one. I have provided exampled of at least two others.

Ok I will bite.

This was the rebuttal against the claim. And, it was so obvious to conservative speakers or old timers like me. I was actually baffled that people misunderstood this.

Also, If you are a native speaker, it is obvious (listen it first if you want https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UPIF2ql7pw ).

He says "Benim için mesela neler söylediler, çıktı bir tanesi aynı zihniyet Gürcüdür diyen oldu. Çıktı bir tanesi afedersin çok daha çirkin şeylerle Ermeni diyen oldu.." "then one another came out and told, excuse me, with much more uglier things, Armenian."

Grammatically you would not use the term "şeylerle - with..things" there to got the other meaning. Prosody and stops also would be weird to get that meaning. Use of "excuse me" before telling an inappropriate word is also very well known (not for a word like Armenian). It is common that in Turkey many politicians were smeared with slurs like "Armenian dölü-seed" or "Yunan dölü" and he was called with that. He is defining the adjective used frequently. Besides, he is known as the person who tries to break the ice with Armenians state level, do you think he would insult Armenians so calmly like that?

Your second link is based on a racist speech claim. However I cannot find the original Turkish speech to make more comments. But it is a well known fact that there is no black-white racism in Turkey. But please provide a better source to dig further.

Re: Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

#92

Post by bumblebeard »

MichaelGG wrote: post #81
metachris wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> unless they perform mitm attacks Which any state-sponsored actor can easily do, of course.

Please tell me how Turkey is going to MITM Google on a recurring basis, enough to implement filtering.

By using a CA they control to generate a fake certificate for Google like they've already "accidentally" done:

http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/01/turkish-government-a...

Re: Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

#93

Post by nl »

zepolud wrote: post #85
batuhanicoz wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we are not that close to having theatre elections. I hate admitting it but democracy works pretty well in Turkey. There are just too many uneducated people here that are influenced by power and religious-themed party platforms. I'm not sure if I'm being elitist but a good democracy requires good, educated people. The ruling party is systematically fucking the education system here, creating more religious sch…

> I hate admitting it but democracy works pretty well in Turkey. Majoritarianism should not be confused with democracy.

That's a pretty easy mistake to make. Care to enlighten me about the difference?

Re: Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

#94

Post by gruez »

bumblebeard wrote: post #92
MichaelGG wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please tell me how Turkey is going to MITM Google on a recurring basis, enough to implement filtering.

By using a CA they control to generate a fake certificate for Google like they've already "accidentally" done: http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/01/turkish-government-a...

Which they can only pull off once before their CA is distrusted. See: how Chinese government CA was restricted to .cn domains only

Re: Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

#95

Post by clydethefrog »

afsina wrote: post #84
ralfn wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real solution off course is to rid your country of the embarrisment of Erdogan. Vote. If thats still legal coming next election.

Well, No. This is the culture here. Youtube was closed for years because of Ataturk related videos. One goes another comes. Besides, those leaks are really BS by the way. Those so called Redhack hackers are as idiot as the people who shuts down whole sites for nothing.

What makes you think it's BS? If I had leaks showing that my country's government has nepotism on high position, a big influence over the media and actively silencing opposition and dissent I would be pretty worried. Just part of culture?

http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/redhack-turkey-albayrak-censo...

Re: Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

#96

Post by bogomipz »

afsina wrote: post #91
bogomipz wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before down voting me, please provide a source that includes the whole context then and substantiates your claim. And this is not the only one. I have provided exampled of at least two others.

Ok I will bite. This was the rebuttal against the claim. And, it was so obvious to conservative speakers or old timers like me. I was actually baffled that people misunderstood this. Also, If you are a native speaker, it is obvious (listen it first if you want https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UPIF2ql7pw ). He says "Benim için mesela neler söylediler, çıktı bir tanesi aynı zihniyet Gürcüdür diyen oldu. Çıktı bir tanes…

"But it is a well known fact that there is no black-white racism in Turkey."

Really? I think Didier Drogba and many others might disagree with you. This was well-publicized:

http://www.nationalturk.com/en/turkish-derbysome-of-fools-sh...

http://www.goal.com/en/news/467/turkey/2013/05/21/3993492/dr...

In regards to the second link, there is another link here:

http://lidblog.com/turkeys-pm-erdogan-believes-blacks-are/

Re: Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

#97

Post by B1FF_PSUVM »

nl wrote: post #93
zepolud wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hate admitting it but democracy works pretty well in Turkey. Majoritarianism should not be confused with democracy.

That's a pretty easy mistake to make. Care to enlighten me about the difference?

He agrees with the results.

(OK, you want to look up Polybius and the word ochlocracy. But it still comes to that.)

Re: Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

#98

Post by [deleted] »

lolc wrote: post #67
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For people working in a turkey as programmers I'm pretty sure not having access to GitHub and Dropbox is not great. Surely for political statements you can use any stupid host.

It all depends on our goals. If the intent is to get people to act, disrupting their life might just be the right thing to do. In this case I blame the Turkish government 100%, the publishers of the material 0%. The guy in question is actually shutting down opposition media in Turkey. If we expect the dissidents to not use the best-connected channels available to them for fear of inconveniencing others, we are compli…

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Re: Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

#99

Post by nashashmi »

lolc wrote: post #67
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For people working in a turkey as programmers I'm pretty sure not having access to GitHub and Dropbox is not great. Surely for political statements you can use any stupid host.

It all depends on our goals. If the intent is to get people to act, disrupting their life might just be the right thing to do. In this case I blame the Turkish government 100%, the publishers of the material 0%. The guy in question is actually shutting down opposition media in Turkey. If we expect the dissidents to not use the best-connected channels available to them for fear of inconveniencing others, we are compli…

> disrupting their life might just be the right thing to do.

Never the right thing to do.

> we are complicit in silencing them.

This is akin to calming a baby crying really hard for attention.

I understand that you want to partake in a protest from really far away, but you must have better ways of doing so than hurting them.

Re: Dropbox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive blocked in Turkey following leaks

#100

Post by vacri »

batuhanicoz wrote: post #73
ralfn wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real solution off course is to rid your country of the embarrisment of Erdogan. Vote. If thats still legal coming next election.

I think we are not that close to having theatre elections. I hate admitting it but democracy works pretty well in Turkey. There are just too many uneducated people here that are influenced by power and religious-themed party platforms. I'm not sure if I'm being elitist but a good democracy requires good, educated people. The ruling party is systematically fucking the education system here, creating more religious sch…

> I'm not sure if I'm being elitist but a good democracy requires good, educated people

You're not being elitist - good government requires good decisions, which require being educated about the topic. When the people are involved in government (democracy), they also need to understand the ramifications of what they do. The better politically-educated the demographic, the more effective the democracy will be, all other things being equal (which they're usually not...).

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