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Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by ksk »

teach wrote: post #56
ksk wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess we have to agree to disagree. I don't think adding a button or two is some fundamental change that requires 10 meetings with 2 designers and 5 developers. They're already streaming the video data, just save it to a file in addition/option to rendering it. They can already play video data, just play it from the file instead of streaming it.

In my opinion, default offline vs default online is a HUGE architectural difference. You could probably try to hack it into the existing player, but it wouldn't work well. A ground-up rewrite wouldn't surprise me at all for such a change.

It is not default offline at all. http://www.youtubego.com/signup/

From the screenshots, it looks to be trivial functionality that could be baked into the existing app. Besides the ability to download and play files is not something I consider to be a "HUGE" architectural change.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by ksk »

dragonwriter wrote: post #58
ksk wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess we have to agree to disagree. I don't think adding a button or two is some fundamental change that requires 10 meetings with 2 designers and 5 developers. They're already streaming the video data, just save it to a file in addition/option to rendering it. They can already play video data, just play it from the file instead of streaming it.

> I don't think adding a button or two is some fundamental change Neither do I, but the change here isn't "adding a button or two".

http://www.youtubego.com/signup/

None of these changes seem to be fundamental to me. They seem like trivial changes you expect in an incremental version update.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by the_common_man »

skynetv2 wrote: post #35

This should be made available every where. But then they can't charge us for offline and background play. YT would get more views actually if they allowed offline now. It would also help with the puny data allowances wireless carriers are imposing these days. The offline will take the power away (in a small way), from the carriers. They can provide the same experience as today, ads and all. People can watch YT on fli…

Yeah, they can even make the ads from the flight systems instead and charge airline providers :-).

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by Ajedi32 »

exolymph wrote: post #55
daveloyall wrote: post #51

Grr... Is google seeking praise for slightly loosening the shackles? This "YouTube Go" MIGHT be a media player. It MIGHT operate on files. It MIGHT be possible to share a video via some mechanism other than bluetooth. The other day I was trying to convince to a user that she should want to own her content, rather than rent it... when I suddenly realized that he doesn't know what a file is. Moreover, he doesn't realiz…

Owning is just so much less convenient than renting access. I vastly prefer the experience of using Spotify and Netflix to the experience of maintaining my own music and media collections.

For music at least, you can get the best of both worlds with Google Music. Any songs you purchase, you own. You can download them, back them up, migrate them to a different service, whatever. For songs you don't own, you can still stream them and save them offline as long as you're subscribed.

AFAIK no real equivalent to this exists in the video streaming world yet. Plex is starting to come close though: https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/26/plex-cloud-online-server...

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by Ajedi32 »

hubert123 wrote: post #59

well it would be cool if i could tag a bunch of videos to be viewed offline in the app. I have a music list on youtube and sometimes i have for example a political debate that is an hour long, it would be cool if i could just tap on it in youtube to make it offline viewable instead of going through the massive hassle of downloading it somehow, transferring it to the phone etc and then maybe i dont want to watch it an…

You can do this if you have YouTube Red, or if you're subscribed to Google Music.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

brainspider wrote: post #80
qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #66

Google still doesn't know what it's doing with YouTube. As a longtime consumer of YouTube videos, and somebody who is actually inside of the YouTube community, I understand that. The "Advertiser Friendly" policy was universally mocked for being absurd, and it is. Then there's the indication that it was behind the inexplicable monetization drops on major channels a few months back. The YouTube team has been seen to do…

I'm amazed they had to go all the way to India to figure this out. But I'm often amazed at how little Google understand "social." The cynical side of me wonders if their misunderstanding is all intentional.

Given how much they stand to lose if YouTube loses its position, it can't be. It's like Nintendo's LP policy: they're literally throwing away money.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by erikpukinskis »

qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #66

Google still doesn't know what it's doing with YouTube. As a longtime consumer of YouTube videos, and somebody who is actually inside of the YouTube community, I understand that. The "Advertiser Friendly" policy was universally mocked for being absurd, and it is. Then there's the indication that it was behind the inexplicable monetization drops on major channels a few months back. The YouTube team has been seen to do…

The policy wasn't universally mocked. Maybe you're in some specific subcommunity, but browse around a little. The opinion I heard most was that the policy is understandable (there is such a thing as advertiser-unfriendly content) but people want more transparency from YouTube so they can work the system effectively.

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by personlurking »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #83
JoshTriplett wrote: post #19

Hopefully this will actually work in all countries; I'd love to save videos for offline viewing while I have a wifi connection and watch them later when I don't. But that would compete with "YouTube Red". For that matter, since an offline video eliminates the buffering problem, I'd love to have the "playback speed" feature in the mobile app. The web version of YouTube supports changing the playback speed to 1.25x, 1.…

I tend to use youtube-dl to grab what I want while at my laptop and sync to my phone so that I have things to watch while about. Not a perfect solution, but works for me for now.

An HNer posted this, his creation (https://videocyborg.com), in the past month. September happens to be a month where I had to endure a slow home connection most of the time so, when in the odd cafe, it was nice to have the service so I could watch videos later (at home).

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by izacus »

So now there's YouTube app (which doens't allow me to listen to a talk offline on an airplane or background or pay for YouTube Red), YouTube Music app (which I'm not allowed to use at all), YouTube Gaming (which has an UI and UX build by a madman). Then there's AndroidTV version of YouTube app which has severe feature limitations and probably some others as well. I don't really like to be negative, but it doesn't seem that Google has any idea what to do with YouTube or any interest of expanding it to EU and the rest of the world. Not to mention the rampant catastrophe that's ContentID police system that's benefiting only large corporate abusers with no recourse.

So I wonder, will I perhaps be able to watch talks and other videos on an airplane now using YouTube Go? Which subset of functionality will work on this soon-to-be-abandoned app? Does it even address any of the issues that content creators, Google and us users have with the platform?

Re: YouTube Go: YouTube reimagined for the next generation of YouTube viewers

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Post by ino »

jonthepirate wrote: post #49

I would love the ability to leave a video playing on my phone when I turn the screen off. I often will listen to a song but as soon as the app minimizes or the phone goes to sleep mode, it stops.

You can do that with safari on iOS if tou don't have the YouTube app installed. It works with any mp4 or mp3 stream too. And you can use other apps, browse other apps or lock the phone and have the controls on the lock screen.

Let it play, minimize the video, switch tab or app or whatever, pull up the bottom controls and click play.

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