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Correct, but a LOT of developers today write code that eventually runs on Linux in the cloud. With WSL, such developers using Windows will not leave for OS X/Linux
Hmm, perhaps it's really a move against OS X. If you actually run Linux you're probably committed.
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It would be nice to be able to develop "native" Linux software right from within Windows where I'm doing other things. I can see the appeal. That's why Microsoft built the Linux subsystem, I suppose.
Embrace, extend, extinguish. Although I'm guessing a few devs are in the boat with "all company PCs must be windows." Gives them an out no?
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No this is not that. The idea is some frameworks/platforms have become nix first, ex. Ruby, Python to an extent Java etc. OCaml to only name some. Windows Subsytem for Linux is about bringing these nix first developer plats to Windows and help developers like me to remain on Windows.
This is precisely the strategy of 'Embrace, Extend, Extinguish'. Step 1: Embrace new technology ( like Ruby, Python, Java etc ) that run on other ecosystems Step 2: Add extensions to the technology that only works in Microsoft ecosystem. For example, add new functionality to Ruby for Windows that only work on Windows Step 3: As more and more people develop software that uses these features, more people will have to s…
Or when Facebook Messenger supports XMPP up until the point where their user base is big enough and they don't have to care about interop anymore?
Welcome to Software Business 101, everyone plays nice with the standards/alternatives/competition until they don't have to anymore. I never understood why Microsoft gets extra flak for this in 2016 - maybe they were particularly good at it 20 years ago, but every big player will play hardball if they get a chance.
The answer is to avoid single vendor lock-in under all circumstances, but Microsoft is hardly on a trajectory to become the single vendor for Ruby or any other Linux-first tech at the moment (ha!).
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Hmm, perhaps it's really a move against OS X. If you actually run Linux you're probably committed.
Yeah I would agree it's a move against osx. I run debian on a raspberry pi3 don't even deal with Windows but this is clearly aimed at the corporate web developers where you have a macosx near monopoly.
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> WSL is definitely not a Virtual Machine, unless you're saying that WINE is also a VM, in which case you have a very broad definition of VM that's different from most other people. Wine runs on the host OS, WSL runs apps from linux image. This image is self contained, just like a VM. Aside from that, I said it's practically a VM. There might be some different technical stuff going on underneath, but for a user there…
It's not truly contained , though. There is no security boundary between the host and the guest there - WSL can access your entire filesystem, for example (subject to usual ACL checks, of course). The reverse is also true, by the way - WSL portion of filesystem can be observed directly from Win32 (cd %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\lxss and look around, but don't touch - there's some magical pixie dust there that's easy…
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It would be nice to be able to develop "native" Linux software right from within Windows where I'm doing other things. I can see the appeal. That's why Microsoft built the Linux subsystem, I suppose.
have you seen the VS GDB Debugger extension? https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2015/11/18/announcin...
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If your hardware supports it, you may be able to pull a 180 and run a Windows VM on the bare metal using hardware passthrough. There's a great community here: https://www.reddit.com/r/vfio
Wow, that works? Video games are pretty much the last thing that holds me on Windows. Everything else is solved on Linux. I am very interested in any solution for this problem.
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This is precisely the strategy of 'Embrace, Extend, Extinguish'. Step 1: Embrace new technology ( like Ruby, Python, Java etc ) that run on other ecosystems Step 2: Add extensions to the technology that only works in Microsoft ecosystem. For example, add new functionality to Ruby for Windows that only work on Windows Step 3: As more and more people develop software that uses these features, more people will have to s…
So what do you call it when Google adds great UX, advanced sorting and searching etc. to email, and then slowly starts making it harder to send email to Gmail accounts from non-Gmail accounts? (All in the name of eliminating spam, of course.) Or when Facebook Messenger supports XMPP up until the point where their user base is big enough and they don't have to care about interop anymore? Welcome to Software Business 1…
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And that is why I prefer to be a developer instead of a manager.
IMO everyone should get flak for these kind of monopoly building business practices.
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Wow, that works? Video games are pretty much the last thing that holds me on Windows. Everything else is solved on Linux. I am very interested in any solution for this problem.
Why not just stop playing video games? There's a universal consensus that they're a waste of time anyway, no? I mean this seriously because it is my first thought when someone claims not to be able to switch to GNU/Linux because of games.
Video games are fun.