Simulation, Consciousness, Existence (1998)

Post by [deleted] » Sat, Sep 17, 2016, 2:44 PM UTC

harshreality wrote: post #75

erikpukinskis wrote: post #28

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It's amazing how many people speak about AGI as if it's even a theoretically plausible thing. It's about as plausible and well substantiated as the Christian God. Which isn't to say it's impossible, but just that it's almost entirely an article of faith. There are a few anecdotes which maybe hint at its possibility. But nothing even approaching a rational explanation of how it might be built. Also, the model of cogni…

I fail to see what bearing paragraphs 3-6 have on the possibility or probability of AGI. AGI beliefs don't compare to religious beliefs just because you say so. You simply don't have the same knowledge background as people who think AGI is realistic or even likely. Maybe you have more or better knowledge, or maybe they do... but just saying they're wrong is pointless. The boundary for systems-level consideration of i…

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Post by erikpukinskis » Sat, Sep 17, 2016, 2:50 PM UTC

psyc wrote: post #74

erikpukinskis wrote: post #69

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I just want to say: I wholeheartedly support you and any and all research in this direction. I think AI is and will be hugely important. You think I will be surprised how "general" the AIs are. I think you will be surprised how similar to human bodies you have to make them for them to approach a human definition of "general". This is the only sense in which I think AGIs are impossible... not that they couldn't be fab…

I read 194-209. I think their approach is fantastic, and it's rare to see such careful thought on this subject. However... nothing struck me as being incompatible with an information IO model?

Their core hypothesis is that you can't separate any kind of agent from their physical capabilities in the environment and still have cognition. That perception and action are not two phases but are an atomic unit of analysis. Perception is action. And what is perceived is not signals but relationships between an organism's capavilities and it's environment.

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