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Re: FAA Urges Passengers to Not Use Samsung Galaxy Note 7 on Planes

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Post by simonh » Fri, Sep 09, 2016, 12:04 PM UTC

Tepix wrote: post #69

ddalex wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only reason I can still use my note 3 is because I was able to easily replace the battery with a new one. that is exactly why you won't see removable batteries in new phones; how else do you drive the new buy cycle every 2 years? as speed and features, phones are pretty much 2010-desktops; good enough for what they do so they don't need replacement on the new hardware generation

I don't think that's the reason. If your battery is dead, it's easy and cheap to get it replaced nowadays. Not a good enough reason to buy a new phone.

Also you can usually swap the phone for a refurbished model with a new battery. I did that with my iPhone 4. Slightly more expensive than a battery replacement service, but same day.

Re: FAA Urges Passengers to Not Use Samsung Galaxy Note 7 on Planes

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Post by JoeAltmaier » Fri, Sep 09, 2016, 12:26 PM UTC

flashman wrote: post #2

Here's the actual release: https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsI... Might as well just quote it in full: > In light of recent incidents and concerns raised by Samsung about its Galaxy Note 7 devices, the Federal Aviation Administration strongly advises passengers not to turn on or charge these devices on board aircraft and not to stow them in any checked baggage.

...or at home, or in your car, or anywhere really.

Re: FAA Urges Passengers to Not Use Samsung Galaxy Note 7 on Planes

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Post by coldpie » Fri, Sep 09, 2016, 12:28 PM UTC

eggy wrote: post #33

leetrout wrote: post #10

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This is actually my #1 fear in flying in 2016. Some rough baggage packing under the plane that damages a laptop battery in the gate checked bag. Every time I fly I watch people gate check bags with laptops and more even after the announcement to "remove all lithium batteries & electronics". I wish more people understood how dangerous this could be and would take 3 minutes to take electronics out and carry them on boa…

Me too. I fly a lot, and the thought of a damaged battery, or somebody leaving their notebook in sleep mode, packed in a suitcase of flammable clothes with all of the other luggage gives me anxiety at times. If I have both laptops with me, I check the heavier one, but take the battery out and carry it on. I fly from Hong Kong to the US quite a bit (16 hours), so alternate landing sites are few and far between. That,…

And yet, this has never happened.

Re: FAA Urges Passengers to Not Use Samsung Galaxy Note 7 on Planes

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Post by r_smart » Fri, Sep 09, 2016, 12:46 PM UTC

madaxe_again wrote: post #57

bdcravens wrote: post #46

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I wonder why they aren't being banned, the way that hover boards were (though I believe the fire risk for the Note 7 is only present while charging)

Honestly, I've always scratched my head slightly at the fact that one is allowed to travel with an explosive device, so long as it also functions as a battery - yet bottled water is way out . It's trivially easy to make a lithium fire at 45,000 feet. Stamp on/bend an IMR 18450, and you have a torch which will burn through a window. Hell, you could probably just fold your phone in half - most batteries run the full he…

I don't know about the battery you're referencing but as far as phones go: I once cooked a Li battery from a Galaxy S5 under a thermostream at 200C (totally not by accident guys!) and it outgassed a lot, but there was no signs of fire. The battery was certainly warped and distended, and no doubt it got hot!

Further, I've seen videos of people piercing phone batteries, and it outgasses, but there was no fire. Not saying it's impossible, but at least with phones, it's less likely.

Re: FAA Urges Passengers to Not Use Samsung Galaxy Note 7 on Planes

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Post by usrusr » Fri, Sep 09, 2016, 12:55 PM UTC

ddalex wrote: post #68

sschueller wrote: post #64

Now I hope samsung will bring back the removable battery. The only reason I can still use my note 3 is because I was able to easily replace the battery with a new one. In fact all phones should have accessible batteries as the battery is in my opinion a consumable which will need replacing at some point.

> The only reason I can still use my note 3 is because I was able to easily replace the battery with a new one. that is exactly why you won't see removable batteries in new phones; how else do you drive the new buy cycle every 2 years? as speed and features, phones are pretty much 2010-desktops; good enough for what they do so they don't need replacement on the new hardware generation

Google pushing out a new letter each year is working wonders even if the hardware does not degrade at all. People remember how a major update years ago did make things noticeably better and won't easily give up hope that the current increments would be similar (same thing for hardware btw, people remember the huge progress between the very first generations of smartphones and want to repeat that experience, no matter how futile the attempt might be).

Internet lore suggests that the majority of users does not care at all for Android versions, but I don't think that this is true: median users do care, just not as much as the vocal group that mistakes the lower level for not caring at all.

I wonder if google even wants to continue the yearly update circus or if they feel pressure from manufacturers to keep that wheel rolling.

Re: FAA Urges Passengers to Not Use Samsung Galaxy Note 7 on Planes

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Post by wyldfire » Fri, Sep 09, 2016, 1:05 PM UTC

usrusr wrote: post #95

ddalex wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only reason I can still use my note 3 is because I was able to easily replace the battery with a new one. that is exactly why you won't see removable batteries in new phones; how else do you drive the new buy cycle every 2 years? as speed and features, phones are pretty much 2010-desktops; good enough for what they do so they don't need replacement on the new hardware generation

Google pushing out a new letter each year is working wonders even if the hardware does not degrade at all. People remember how a major update years ago did make things noticeably better and won't easily give up hope that the current increments would be similar (same thing for hardware btw, people remember the huge progress between the very first generations of smartphones and want to repeat that experience, no matter…

It might be too subtle for you to see but there's real advancement going on in those new releases. Some of those features are security-related, which is the same kind of thing that drives many iOS features. IMO Google does good by releasing new updates to Android and for their branded devices they usually offer one or more of these updates before they stop supporting them. If you choose to root the devices, often the community will support the new Android releases with their ROMs.

Re: FAA Urges Passengers to Not Use Samsung Galaxy Note 7 on Planes

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Post by tim333 » Fri, Sep 09, 2016, 1:09 PM UTC

bdcravens wrote: post #46

flashman wrote: post #2

Here's the actual release: https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsI... Might as well just quote it in full: > In light of recent incidents and concerns raised by Samsung about its Galaxy Note 7 devices, the Federal Aviation Administration strongly advises passengers not to turn on or charge these devices on board aircraft and not to stow them in any checked baggage.

I wonder why they aren't being banned, the way that hover boards were (though I believe the fire risk for the Note 7 is only present while charging)

The hover boards were actually quite dangerous, partly because people tend to keep their phones by them when charging but not the boards hence greater fire risk, for example this https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2016/02/1...

Re: FAA Urges Passengers to Not Use Samsung Galaxy Note 7 on Planes

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Post by UlyssesSKrunk » Fri, Sep 09, 2016, 1:12 PM UTC

ddalex wrote: post #68

sschueller wrote: post #64

Now I hope samsung will bring back the removable battery. The only reason I can still use my note 3 is because I was able to easily replace the battery with a new one. In fact all phones should have accessible batteries as the battery is in my opinion a consumable which will need replacing at some point.

> The only reason I can still use my note 3 is because I was able to easily replace the battery with a new one. that is exactly why you won't see removable batteries in new phones; how else do you drive the new buy cycle every 2 years? as speed and features, phones are pretty much 2010-desktops; good enough for what they do so they don't need replacement on the new hardware generation

Yep. I'm still using my galaxy s2. Had to replace the back twice and the battery once. Bought it in 2013. Total I've paid for my phone is about $50 over the last 3 years. It's really crazy how many people have been tricked into thinking they absolutely need to pay hundreds every year or 2 and that they need to pay dozens of dollars per month for service. Absolute racket.

Re: FAA Urges Passengers to Not Use Samsung Galaxy Note 7 on Planes

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Post by tim333 » Fri, Sep 09, 2016, 1:13 PM UTC

jbb555 wrote: post #70

coldtea wrote: post #65

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>* But what is the maximum possible damage from a burning battery?* As opposed to the one from bottled water?

I think the point is that it might not water...

Yeah a bottle of nitroglycerin would probably take down a plane while it would be hard with a battery. Amateur videos of both:

nitro: https://youtu.be/BLB_F2P9pSI?t=3s

phone battery: https://youtu.be/GEo0RhEhFYc?t=19s

Not sure health and safety would have approved of the nitro one.

Re: FAA Urges Passengers to Not Use Samsung Galaxy Note 7 on Planes

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Post by kpao » Fri, Sep 09, 2016, 1:22 PM UTC

UlyssesSKrunk wrote: post #98

ddalex wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only reason I can still use my note 3 is because I was able to easily replace the battery with a new one. that is exactly why you won't see removable batteries in new phones; how else do you drive the new buy cycle every 2 years? as speed and features, phones are pretty much 2010-desktops; good enough for what they do so they don't need replacement on the new hardware generation

Yep. I'm still using my galaxy s2. Had to replace the back twice and the battery once. Bought it in 2013. Total I've paid for my phone is about $50 over the last 3 years. It's really crazy how many people have been tricked into thinking they absolutely need to pay hundreds every year or 2 and that they need to pay dozens of dollars per month for service. Absolute racket.

Have you updated that phone regularly? I have one for testing here, and it's become so slow, I don't even know how one could use it every day... Even if they bring back removable batteries, software updates will take care of the deprecation. Just look at an iPad 2 with iOS9 today...