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Re: Japan's Unprecedented Warning to UK Over Brexit

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Post by ZenoArrow »

woliveirajr wrote: post #36
ZenoArrow wrote: post #6

Thinking about this from the perspective of the Japanese, they've got little to lose by making this kind of threat. Either the British government give them a deal that is just as good or better than they have now to encourage them to stay, or they give them a good excuse to move their manufacturing elsewhere. The real issue is when a community is overly reliant on jobs from a small number of employers. That gives the…

Don't think this was some kind of extortion. More a previous warning, like "don't think that japan is in some retaliation by moving our companies, we just asked about taxes earlier and you didn't care"

It's not like this is pre-Brexit. The decision to leave the EU has already been made. The decision can't be ignored by the British government as it would be political suicide. I'm sure the Japanese government are aware of this. The question is then, why make these statements at all? The only explanation that makes sense to me is opportunism on behalf of Japanese corporations. Threatening to leave gives you bargaining power you wouldn't otherwise have.

Re: Japan's Unprecedented Warning to UK Over Brexit

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Post by peteretep »

Create wrote: post #81

A Modest Proposal brexit means brexit: since English is not native to any remaining EU member country, drop it as an EU working language. With special regard to the European Central Bank (banking passport system). Irish could still remain as an official language^1, but the semi-official Welsh would need to go too. ^1 For Preventing The Children of Poor People in Ireland From Being a Burden to Their Parents or Country…

    > since English is not native to any remaining EU
    > member country
Might be worth doing your research.

Re: Japan's Unprecedented Warning to UK Over Brexit

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Post by edko »

Scarblac wrote: post #53
Numberwang wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UK Will never be allowed to have 'The Norwegian Model' set up by EU. That would have lot's of other countries asking for the same. UK is in for a long winter on GoT type scale.

Why would other countries want that model? It seems to be strictly worse than full membership.

I also wonder why Norway wants that model?

Re: Japan's Unprecedented Warning to UK Over Brexit

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Post by [deleted] »

clappski wrote: post #61
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think May and the Cabinet do. All the noises seem to suggest the real priority is xenophobia - i.e. immigration. ...Which is a purely political strategy to capture the continued support of leave voters - exactly the people whose lives will be destroyed when trade dries up. The problem is that the typical leave voter understands immigration because they have direct personal experience of immigrants. But leave…

As far as I was aware it was the areas that the least amount of immigrants that wanted to vote for leave, but at this point it's moot. And I wouldn't say that fears over immigration are xenophobic, I think that the referendum came at a terrible time when Europe as a whole is facing a big refugee (economic or not) problem that they still can't decide how to solve.

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Re: Japan's Unprecedented Warning to UK Over Brexit

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Post by Create »

peteretep wrote: post #92
Create wrote: post #81

A Modest Proposal brexit means brexit: since English is not native to any remaining EU member country, drop it as an EU working language. With special regard to the European Central Bank (banking passport system). Irish could still remain as an official language^1, but the semi-official Welsh would need to go too. ^1 For Preventing The Children of Poor People in Ireland From Being a Burden to Their Parents or Country…

> since English is not native to any remaining EU > member country Might be worth doing your research.

Don't be so Swift with those downvotes^1.

You are suggesting, that Malta^2 is to command the ECB?

^1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_European_Unio... -- working is not the same as official

^2 or Ireland for that matter...

Second thought: maybe English could merit a semi-official status though (if May succeeds). But most certainly not a working language (neither an official one).

Re: Japan's Unprecedented Warning to UK Over Brexit

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Post by joshvm »

rayiner wrote: post #46
joshvm wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those unchecked lawmakers were also responsible for a level of governmental oversight which is unprecedented anywhere else in the world. That's not a bad thing at all, but you can't sell Remain to an electorate by saying "The EU stops us doing stupid stuff to you". That monkey was responsible for a huge number of regulations which benefit EU citizens, again, because it forces the government to take action that they w…

The U.K. already had plenty of government oversight. Why on earth does it need even more from bureaucrats in other countries?

Oversight by whom? I agree that the UK government can be held accountable by the public, probably more so than many countries. However if the government agrees to pass a stupid law, there's very little the public can do about it.

Can you provide a specific example of something that you think has been over-regulated by the EU?

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influe...

(I'll take the downvote to mean that you don't have an example?)

Re: Japan's Unprecedented Warning to UK Over Brexit

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Post by ZenoArrow »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #65
dogma1138 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The typical leave voter lives in the areas with least immigration. The areas with any substantial immigration either from the EU or elsewhere voted remain.

Aside from London, which is a special case, that's not particularly true. Remain won in the very big cities with urban cosmopolitan populations and in a few university towns, but lost almost everywhere else. There are two main groups of leavers, with some overlap - the working classes with limited education and low prospects, and the petit bourgeois, who are relatively poorly educated and uncurious but can be reasona…

> "There are two main groups of leavers, with some overlap - the working classes with limited education and low prospects, and the petit bourgeois, who are relatively poorly educated and uncurious but can be reasonably well off."

I fit into neither group, and nor do the other people I know who voted to leave.

> "the British press - the real source of many of the UK's problems - which has been stoking their prejudices for decades"

I couldn't agree with you more on this point. However, I suspect this had a role in your earlier summation of the two groups of Leave voters. You really should take what you read/view/hear in British mainstream news outlets with a huge pinch of salt, even when it lines up with your own opinions.

To give you one example of a group you overlooked, I'd suggest taking a look at the Left Leave website:

http://www.leftleave.org/

Re: Japan's Unprecedented Warning to UK Over Brexit

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Post by mpweiher »

clappski wrote: post #61
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think May and the Cabinet do. All the noises seem to suggest the real priority is xenophobia - i.e. immigration. ...Which is a purely political strategy to capture the continued support of leave voters - exactly the people whose lives will be destroyed when trade dries up. The problem is that the typical leave voter understands immigration because they have direct personal experience of immigrants. But leave…

As far as I was aware it was the areas that the least amount of immigrants that wanted to vote for leave, but at this point it's moot. And I wouldn't say that fears over immigration are xenophobic, I think that the referendum came at a terrible time when Europe as a whole is facing a big refugee (economic or not) problem that they still can't decide how to solve.

>areas that [have] the least amount of immigrants that wanted to vote for leave

Ironic, isn't it? But absolutely typical. In Germany as well, the areas with highest anti-immigrant sentiments (and voting etc.) are the ones with the least amount of actual immigrants.

Which kind of makes sense when you think about it...

Re: Japan's Unprecedented Warning to UK Over Brexit

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Post by karma_vaccum123 »

rbanffy wrote: post #78
tajen wrote: post #64

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> instill fear Is that how Europe is governed? I think any country should be allowed to leave without condescending comments by anyone. I prefer staying in Europe, but if the majority of my fellows prefer the opposite, then it's democracy. Who are we to judge they are "stupid", "country-side, or "senile", like I've read all across newspapers, or even fascists, like I've heard too? If Europe relies on hating the peopl…

I wouldn't mind if it's their informed opinion. What we see in this case is that they were sold a lie, one that'll eventually collapse into an ugly, harsh truth. The best deal possible is a Norway-like arrangement, which would be unacceptable to nationalists.

Your comment basically confirms, on a more subtle level, what the GP post is saying.

You have no factual basis for claiming these people are asserting false facts or voting based on false facts. Brexit is a vote on what the future should look like, and no one has a factual basis to predict the future.

tl;dr people you disagree with aren't fraudulent by default

Re: Japan's Unprecedented Warning to UK Over Brexit

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Post by mpweiher »

lispm wrote: post #28
no1youknowz wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There has been a flurry of activity behind the scenes. Philip Hammond was recently in China [1] and discussed the possibility of trade agreements with them and other representatives of other countries who were also there. Australia has already mentioned opening up trade agreements [2] with the UK as well. There is even talk of trading with the common-wealth [3]. The point is this, things are moving forward. Just beca…

> Now, it has the possibility of accessing the EU market AND trading with the world. Wonderful. Something which clearly is not possible while in the EU. I never understood why the EU did not allow that. The UK never had a chance to successfully trade within the EU and trade with other countries was strictly forbidden. Brexit will change all that. Congratulations!

>trade with other countries was strictly forbidden.

Huh? All EU countries trade with countries outside the EU all the time.

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