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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by RodgerTheGreat »

gooseus wrote: post #68
Yhippa wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think that? I'm trying hard to think of something that would make it go the way of Friendster.

I had an idea the other day of creating a three-fold informational website. 1. How to backup your Facebook content and delete your account. 2. How to use non-Facebook services to share photos, organize events and talk to friends. 3. How to open an online trading account and purchase PUT options against FB. In my delusion of grandeur I imagined this site going viral with the idea that if a critical mass of users decid…

I think the biggest challenge in doing something like this and making an impact is a call to action.

Some users strongly dislike Facebook and already have the motivation necessary to execute on something like this if you made the process easy. I suspect, however, that most Facebook users are either indifferent or genuinely enjoy the service, and it will be difficult to convince these people they should cease using Facebook. Citing privacy concerns or some of Facebook's well-publicized unethical behavior seems to me like it would mainly preach to the choir.

So how do you sell this?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by vecter »

elorant wrote: post #71
vecter wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook adds "no value whatsoever"? One billion people every day would disagree with you. Facebook is the primary method that billions of people across the world use to stay in touch with family and friends. It's one of the most important pieces of my life and something I come back to almost every single day. And no, I've never worked there nor will I ever. I don't own a single share of FB stock. I'm just a user who…

Well good for you. I on the other hand never felt the need to use the place and its privacy policies annoy the heck out of me. I also don’t like the fact that it’s a walled-in garden contradicting the essence of the medium it was built upon. Other than that, you don’t have to be working somewhere to have a positive stance about the place. We’re not cheerleaders, we’re just opinionated people. No one is accusing you f…

Your claim of "no value" is clearly wrong. A consumer internet company cannot be worth hundreds of billions of dollars, have billions of users, and add "no value".

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by sheac »

davidivadavid wrote: post #84
uptown wrote: post #17

I'm curious what others think about the vision for a more-connected world. While I think the positives far outweigh the negatives in abstract, I wonder if the relatively segregated and disconnected civilizations we've built until now are equipped to deal with the complexities of a more-connected world. Cultural differences, religious differences, ethical differences, etc. are all potential points of friction when you…

What I'm curious to see is if anyone is going to take the opposite end of that bet: Facebook's "openness"/"World is flat"/"End of history" vs. decentralized, tribal, anonymized, balkanized social networks. As Facebook keeps accumulating users, and as users accumulate "friends", the SNR decreases and makes the product experience less valuable, notwithstanding the efforts they make to "optimize" the feed. Mine is mostl…

The only systems that readily comes to mind is Reddit.

It's amazing how you can wind up on a subreddit and realise that you're nowhere near the bottom of the rabbit hole that you've been calling a hobby for the past n years.

I don't know if this qualifies for what you're after, though, because these communities are:

* based on users actively seeking out forums based on what they consider themselves to be interested in, and

* each community is centred around a single topic. There might be a subreddit for people who love Fraggles and a subreddit for people who love pop-tarts, but no subreddit for people who love both Fraggles and pop-tarts.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by gooseus »

RodgerTheGreat wrote: post #91
gooseus wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had an idea the other day of creating a three-fold informational website. 1. How to backup your Facebook content and delete your account. 2. How to use non-Facebook services to share photos, organize events and talk to friends. 3. How to open an online trading account and purchase PUT options against FB. In my delusion of grandeur I imagined this site going viral with the idea that if a critical mass of users decid…

I think the biggest challenge in doing something like this and making an impact is a call to action. Some users strongly dislike Facebook and already have the motivation necessary to execute on something like this if you made the process easy. I suspect, however, that most Facebook users are either indifferent or genuinely enjoy the service, and it will be difficult to convince these people they should cease using Fa…

Yeah, it's definitely not an easy sell and would require the right presentation, but I think there is a strong undercurrent of fatigue and discontent with Facebook that can be tapped into with the right message.

I think that message could energize and wake up a decent number of people and if this generated momentum then it'd feed into itself.

The fact that a measurable decrease in users could create a panic in stock price that can be profited from directly is another selling point. I'm not well-versed in investment instruments, but I do believe that spending $100 on PUT options before even a 10% drop in stock price would pay off quite handsomely.

I mean, you may like Facebook... but it's not like you couldn't create a fresh account after you make a little money, right? How much money have they profited from sharing your personal information? Every large company can benefit from a reality check...

Dunno if that message would play to more loyal users, but my mental cost/benefit analysis for this idea seems pretty favorable.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by metaphorm »

vecter wrote: post #92
elorant wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well good for you. I on the other hand never felt the need to use the place and its privacy policies annoy the heck out of me. I also don’t like the fact that it’s a walled-in garden contradicting the essence of the medium it was built upon. Other than that, you don’t have to be working somewhere to have a positive stance about the place. We’re not cheerleaders, we’re just opinionated people. No one is accusing you f…

Your claim of "no value" is clearly wrong. A consumer internet company cannot be worth hundreds of billions of dollars, have billions of users, and add "no value".

define value. establish how FB provides value according to your definition. social habits and popularity alone are not sufficient to establish value.

remember, we're talking about value for FB users, not value for FB customers (i.e. advertisers).

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by davidivadavid »

sheac wrote: post #93
davidivadavid wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I'm curious to see is if anyone is going to take the opposite end of that bet: Facebook's "openness"/"World is flat"/"End of history" vs. decentralized, tribal, anonymized, balkanized social networks. As Facebook keeps accumulating users, and as users accumulate "friends", the SNR decreases and makes the product experience less valuable, notwithstanding the efforts they make to "optimize" the feed. Mine is mostl…

The only systems that readily comes to mind is Reddit. It's amazing how you can wind up on a subreddit and realise that you're nowhere near the bottom of the rabbit hole that you've been calling a hobby for the past n years. I don't know if this qualifies for what you're after, though, because these communities are: * based on users actively seeking out forums based on what they consider themselves to be interested i…

Reddit does have the affinity thing, but as you point out, it's not nearly as granular as it could be.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by drusepth »

gohrt wrote: post #46
cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #29

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I don't know where people get the idea that "flying cars" is a more noble achievement than "140 characters". All these narratives you're repeating--you probably picked it up from some news article or tweet--is just another way people package their own agenda. What you're saying is equivalent to saying police is much more important than scientists. The truth is both are important and it's foolish to say one is more im…

The HN crowd tends toward anti-socialites who don't see the value in human communication or that purpose of life is to live it. What's the point of going to Mars, if not to share the experience with other people?

Colonizing another planet and expanding the human race's capabilities?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by sleazus_christ »

asimuvPR wrote: post #79
elorant wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the problem with Mark lies in the fact that to many of us he hasn’t build anything substantial. Sure, from a technical point of view Facebook is spectacular. Other than that it’s a boring place adding no value whatsoever to the Internet. There’s nothing innovative about it. He’s isn’t solving any kind of problem. Compared to other giants of our industry he seems dull and irrelevant. And so does his vision.

Facebook sure adds value. It connects people. Friendships, marriages, partnerships, businesses, and more exist because of facebook. I am not a user but the value it provides is real. Otherwise people would not use it (Google+).

so did myspace, so did AOL. it is just an re-implementation of existing ideas and products. Nothing it offers is new or anything we haven't had for decades. Sure, a lot of people use it NOW but that will change just like it did for myspace, AOL, and plenty of other platforms. And those marriages/partnerships/business/etc don't exist BECAUSE of facebook, they exist because people started them and now they USE facebook as a tool, if facebook died tomorrow and was replaced by a new web-based-communication-and-advertising tool all of those things would still exist and all the marriages/partnerships/businesses/etc would shift to that platform, they wouldn't cease to exist. It doesn't create any value in any sort of dynamic new way, it is just a re-implementation of the same tools people have been building since the start of the internet. Everybody survived the death of those other tools just fine, no "value" was lost.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by na85 »

firasd wrote: post #5

On Free Basics: "We’ve learned a lot about how we need to interact with governments and the political system and regulators, and build support in order to have these things work. And I think we’ll take those lessons forward on the future work we’re doing in Free Basics, which by the way is continuing to roll out around the world. One day, once we’ve shown that it’s a successful program around the world, I hope that w…

>And you still haven't learned that what we want is not better management of regulators, but net neutrality.

He's not a moron. He absolutely knows this is what we want. He just doesn't care, because he's rich enough from selling our privacy to buy all the mansions around his to protect his privacy.

A whole generation of poor people in India and elsewhere growing up believing that Free Basics === The Internet? Sounds like the sort of captive audience most tech companies can only dream of.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by na85 »

vecter wrote: post #59
elorant wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the problem with Mark lies in the fact that to many of us he hasn’t build anything substantial. Sure, from a technical point of view Facebook is spectacular. Other than that it’s a boring place adding no value whatsoever to the Internet. There’s nothing innovative about it. He’s isn’t solving any kind of problem. Compared to other giants of our industry he seems dull and irrelevant. And so does his vision.

Facebook adds "no value whatsoever"? One billion people every day would disagree with you. Facebook is the primary method that billions of people across the world use to stay in touch with family and friends. It's one of the most important pieces of my life and something I come back to almost every single day. And no, I've never worked there nor will I ever. I don't own a single share of FB stock. I'm just a user who…

>It's one of the most important pieces of my life

Reading this made me sad.

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