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Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by MrZongle2 »

kaitai wrote: post #85
MrZongle2 wrote: post #79

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I agree with the parent poster: anyone . I held a clearance for 20 years. If I (or anybody else who wasn't well-connected) had pulled this stunt, I'd be in prison right now. And I would have likely been detained in a cell until trial. This was made abundantly clear in the annual security refresher training and briefings that all cleared personnel undergo, in addition to the original ones you receive upon being cleare…

I understand the sentiment, I just don't understand the facts. People keep saying "if anyone but Clinton did this they'd be in prison", but there's a bunch of people who used private servers and had email reclassified and they're not in prison. Karl Rove used RNC servers, although it sounds like the email was all archived with the White House; that doesn't seem to address the initial security concerns though. Forgive…

"Forgive me for being dense, I just really don't understand how the first statement (these actions would put anyone else in jail) can be true with the number of counterexamples (people who did similar things, aren't in jail, aren't Clinton)."

IMO, if others broke the law, they should be in prison as well. The fact that they aren't and the fact that many people want to laugh this issue away as being trivial, is appalling.

There are very clear regulations covering the handling and dissemination of classified information. Removing the "SECRET" header doesn't make them less secret; in fact, exactly who can declassify classified information is covered pretty thoroughly in regulations as well.

The ambiguity is not the law itself, it is in the enforcement. That a candidate for the top elected position in a branch tasked with enforcement of the law is under investigation should be a huge concern.

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by Spooky23 »

drabiega wrote: post #60
Spooky23 wrote: post #42

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Do some Googling. Anyone who isn't Hillary Clinton would be in prison right now for doing what she did.

I'm not a particularly big fan of Hilary, but as far as I'm aware, this used to be pretty common among members of congress and senators, so you might have to broaden your criteria a bit.

I actually like Hillary, and think she'll be a good president.

But she pretty obviously committed a felony.

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by [deleted] »

tassl wrote: post #76
ak217 wrote: post #21

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That is a pretty myopic thing to say. One of the biggest issues for the US higher ed system is that foreign students who receive an education here often can't stay or have to face ridiculous hurdles. In many thousands of cases, you are also wrong about buying the degree: research grants to universities fund those students' tuition and stipends, in exchange for good work. Address the inflation of university budgets at…

As somebody that has gone through the whole process (MS, PhD, OPT, H1B, Green Card), granting green cards to diplomas of is a big mistake. While the current system adds some level of stress to the worker, I have yet to find (surely there are) a valid foreigner with some STEM degree that could not stay in the US if he wanted to. This is true for most "bad" students that I know. On the other hand, some students that tr…

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Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by defen »

sigmar wrote: post #81
defen wrote: post #78

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How is that different than Obama claiming he knew more about policies on any particular issue than his policy directors? http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/81895_Page2.html People who run for president by definition have huge egos, it's not limited to Trump.

In context, that seems like a pretty self-aware comment he made when he was interviewing his political director[1] as a warning to the man of his own confidence. But I would agree, Presidential candidate always have a large ego. I was only offering up an example of Trump's mistrust of "all experts" (at least in terms of foreign policy). http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/11/17/battle-plans

Looking at Trump's comment in context, though, it's hard to argue against the claim that we've made "a mess" of the Middle East.

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by thecolorblue »

MrZongle2 wrote: post #14
thecolorblue wrote: post #13

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> ...faulty alternative email service... Do you have a source for this? It was my impression that nothing was out of the ordinary about her email server, and the rules around it were vague.

Well, here's one for starters: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7006105d422740f0b4b8675c90f9a... Edit: here's a second: http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/clinton-e-mail-... I was under the impression that the rules around it were not vague, but as Secretary of State she was essentially given an exemption (or people chose to look the other way) because nobody wanted to rock the boat. The issue of classified e…

Thank you for the links. I am, admittedly, not well informed.

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by DerekL »

sologoub wrote: post #70
jordanb wrote: post #9

> attaching a green card to the diplomas of foreign-born students earning STEM degrees. HAH! I knew this was going to be in there. Of course it's a gigantic bailout to the universities. STEM grad programs are already full of foreign nationals trying to get a slot in the advanced degree H1-B track. This would absolutely turbocharge that: buy a degree from whatever fourth rate American university for $xxx,xxx and value…

For it to be a golden ticket, someone has to hire them at a good salary. If the person went to 4th rate school and has no skills to compete in the job market, it's not really a golden ticket and not a drain on the economy as they don't qualify for a lot of things. On the other hand, if the person is capable and can attract and sustain a lucrative career, they'll contribute to economy and taxes. As someone else mentio…

> For it to be a golden ticket, someone has to hire them at a good salary. If the person went to 4th rate school and has no skills to compete in the job market, it's not really a golden ticket and not a drain on the economy as they don't qualify for a lot of things.

Right. The danger is not a flood of bozos, because a green card is no guarantee of a high salary job. The actual problem is that as soon as a U.S. degree comes with a green card, the schools in America will jack up the tuition for foreign students.

Two ways to solve this: we could offer the same deal for foreign schools, or require U.S. schools to charge the same tuition and fees to both foreign and domestic students.

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by droopyEyelids »

Eyas wrote: post #65
wwwwwwwwww wrote: post #45

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pretty much this. At my school it's an almost universal phenomenon among international students. They literally run a cheating cartel that shares completed labs, tests, and homework. They even have a guy that they buy to take their tests for them. the school doesn't take cheating very seriously - one time a guy was on his phone looking up answers in the middle of a test. the professor told him to put it away, and he…

This hurts quite a bit because of the correlation it seems to be making between international students and cheating. I do agree that degrees should mean something, which means anyone benefiting from such 'cheating cartel' should not reap the fruits of being called a degree holder of an institution. But a comment like this makes me wonder if this is how I am viewed as a non-citizen graduate of a 'good school' who perf…

I actually thought of the one foreign student I knew that was a really hard worker when i wrote the original comment and almost decided not to write it. But I remembered seven scum-fucks to balance him out, and the group projects where I did all the work and their names went on the final product.

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by simonh »

talmand wrote: post #83
sigmar wrote: post #69

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>I see no reason Trump cannot hire advisors just as experienced in the field as Hillary. The "he can get experts too" argument is fine, except for the fact he has publicly spoken out saying all experts are "terrible." >Referring to criticism that he could be better schooled on matters of foreign policy, Trump suggested he would do just as well, if not better than the current or past administrations without anyone pro…

Just because he's publicly stated all experts are terrible doesn't mean he doesn't have them now nor will not in the future. If he didn't listen to other people and their opinions then I seriously doubt he would be where he is today. He's just letting his ego speak for him. As for your quote, I could easily explain that is him saying he would do better than previous administrations without anyone providing input, bef…

We're talking about Trump though. The time between his experts issuing a detailed complex policy document in his name and him completely contradicting it in public is likely to be measured in hours, not days.

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by talmand »

simonh wrote: post #98
talmand wrote: post #83

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Just because he's publicly stated all experts are terrible doesn't mean he doesn't have them now nor will not in the future. If he didn't listen to other people and their opinions then I seriously doubt he would be where he is today. He's just letting his ego speak for him. As for your quote, I could easily explain that is him saying he would do better than previous administrations without anyone providing input, bef…

We're talking about Trump though. The time between his experts issuing a detailed complex policy document in his name and him completely contradicting it in public is likely to be measured in hours, not days.

Well, since you know so much of the man and how his teams work, I'll defer to your expertise.

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by naveen99 »

DerekL wrote: post #96
sologoub wrote: post #70

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For it to be a golden ticket, someone has to hire them at a good salary. If the person went to 4th rate school and has no skills to compete in the job market, it's not really a golden ticket and not a drain on the economy as they don't qualify for a lot of things. On the other hand, if the person is capable and can attract and sustain a lucrative career, they'll contribute to economy and taxes. As someone else mentio…

> For it to be a golden ticket, someone has to hire them at a good salary. If the person went to 4th rate school and has no skills to compete in the job market, it's not really a golden ticket and not a drain on the economy as they don't qualify for a lot of things. Right. The danger is not a flood of bozos, because a green card is no guarantee of a high salary job. The actual problem is that as soon as a U.S. degree…

> the schools in America will jack up the tuition for foreign students.

My understanding was out of state and international students have the same full tuition price. The difference is only in instate and out of state. Lots of wealthy people in the us pay full price at private schools. Colleges can't just increase tuition too much for international students, because there is no artificial cap on number of college seats. The college market will expand to handle more students.

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