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Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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Just out of curiosity: Is Feynman using 'sleep with' as a euphemism for sex? I'm guessing that, this story being written in the 1940s/50s, pre-sexual revolution, that it is more referring to sleeping with a some low level of intimacy.

Yes and no - in those days they had no heating in winter, so people would "sleep with" one another just to keep warm. But it was considered rude to just snuggle up without asking. Of course sometimes this lead to considerable levels of intimacy.

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the value in trying this and having it work is that you instantly understand just how little any of the surface bullshit matters. confidence. end of story. there is nothing else.

Well, for the 14% of the population that works on, sure. Confidence is key, but there is a difference between a confident stud and a confident creep.

I'm not sure what a confident creep would be like. Confidence is confidence. A confident man knows restraint, and as long as he's good with restraint, he's not in danger of being a creep.

It is good to play with expectations, to acknowledge them without actually "acknowledging" them. A creep wouldn't have the confidence to let this play out; they have to confirm that the other person is aware of the "acknowledgment" being played out. It's like some guy saying "did you get it? Did you get the joke?" Except the creep is saying this with everything he does. His body language, tone, talking speed, and even with his language.

A "confident creep" is a contradiction.

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

#93
post #38

"I bought her $1.10 worth of sandwiches," how old is this story?

"When I was first at Cornell I corresponded with a girl I had met in New Mexico while I was working on the bomb." Considering the first sentence in the story, I'd say 65 years.

which would put it at around $12 of sandwiches in today's money, according to miscellaneous online inflation calculators

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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post #15

From: http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0504.html?m=3 "The charming side of Richard helped people forgive him for his uncharming characteristics. For example, in many ways Richard was a sexist. Whenever it came time for his daily bowl of soup he would look around for the nearest "girl" and ask if she would fetch it to him. It did not matter if she was the cook, an engineer, or the president of the company. I once…

There's a book of Feynman's letters out now, and I felt like there was a progression from the early letters -- where a certain amount of sexism was present -- to later ones where he seemed convinced that women were the peers of men in academia.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0465023711?ie=UTF8&tag=...

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

#95
post #73

I could never do it. I just can't. I'm too much of a coward. I think I might die if I asked.

a failure of a hacker who doesn't have the energy to do much of anything anymore

:( Sorry, brother.

I don't know how bad it is, but I've been in similar situations. I do know it takes a lot of energy to get going again, and that a minuscule amount of energy, every day, accumulates into progress. I wouldn't concern myself with the girls, yet.

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

#96
post #5

Classy title. I can't understand why women don't feel comfortable in our industry....

Could you explain your comment? Is there something sexist about getting laid, or using the phrase "getting laid"? Because I know lots of regular women who both use that term and enjoy getting laid. This is a not a male/female thing; this is a conflict of attitudes about sex. If someone gets bent out of shape because they hear people talking about getting laid they seriously need to grow up. Or get laid.

"This is a not a male/female thing; this is a conflict of attitudes about sex. If someone gets bent out of shape because they hear people talking about getting laid they seriously need to grow up. Or get laid."

The phrase is equally trashy when used by either gender. It's possible to talk about sex without sounding like a teenage boy.

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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How is that principled?? You hate when others benefit even if it's at no detriment to you?? SCARCITY THINKING :_( Okay, if you like reading text on your screen, you can also read it for free here: http://www.gorgorat.com

The principle is to minimize the reward from spam.

So shouldn't we just downvote the ones that are spammy -- those that make the conversation worse instead of better?

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "obvious evidence to the contrary" was the math gender gap, which was very real at the time. If you actually read the story, it's quite clear that Feynman is telling the story at his own expense (showing how wrong he had been about girls + math). There's no question he was sexist, but see _debug_ and blackguardx's tandem quote to see that he regarded them as equals mentally: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11…

I did read the whole article, but did not get the impression that it was meant to be a joke at his expense. That's just not supported by the text. The most he's willing to say is that "if it is done in the right way, you may be able to get something out of it [the female mind]." Hardly a U-turn. Also, the quote you referenced does absolutely nothing to show that RF regarded women as his mental equals. It just shows t…

Feynman was a woman!

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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post #18

That was before HIV. Still, the pick up artists seem to give similar advice.

It was also before mass production of penicillin. Venereal diseases like syphilis and gonorrhea were a much bigger deal back then.

Didn't they already have Penicillin during WW2? I think the story must have taken place after WW2? But maybe it wasn't mass produced, military only or something.

Re: Richard Feynman on getting laid: "You Just Ask Them?"

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post #57
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I'm "upset" because the rest of the article makes it clear that Feynman really did think that women were inherently useless as math -- and even "rational thought" in general: >Those people who have for years been insisting (in the face of all obvious evidence to the contrary) that the male and female are equally capable of rational thought may have something. This is a bit rich for my tastes (but it will no doubt…

I'm genuinely curious if anyone has studied the differences in the sexes when it comes to math. Why is it no woman has won the fields medal? Why do many talented women stop their academic career at the bachelor and masters level when it comes to mathematics? I think you would of been able to say that sexism in academia was a reason in the past, but I just don't think that really flies anymore. Is it possible the genu…

Careful, you'll get fired from Harvard for saying things like that.
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