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The Cloned-Consciousness-as-Continuous-Consciousness Fallacy

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Re: The Cloned-Consciousness-as-Continuous-Consciousness Fallacy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In context of the thought experiment there can be more than one person with equal claim to be the person that you believe yourself to be. For example, given the postulated copying technology there could be Two or ten or a hundred people with the same claim 91 you to be today's version of who you remember yourself to be. The only thing that makes one person's claim better than another's is a perceived continuity of ph…

My argument is that you don't really know other people, you only know yourself. Clones don't even have to be physical replicas of people, they need only be entities or systems which can pass the Turing test. The fact that a clone may think it is me makes zero difference to my friends who have no way of knowing and it makes zero difference to me because I can clearly see that it is a separate person from me. Now, you…

My point is that you don"t know yourself, either. You know in any given moment whatever self you have constructed from the sensations, emotions, inferences, and memories available to you. It "s conventional to assume that there is continuity with the selves that you remember, and that"s the default common sense position to take--a sort of pragmatic shorthand--but we don"t actually know that the continuity is real.

In fact, we do know that human memory is spectacularly unreliable, and, moreover, that it is a virtuoso liar, very accomplished at convincing us that we vividly remember things that never actually happened. It's proficient at rearranging memories and sensory impressions into ad hoc stories that we uncritically accept as true records of events.

From this point of view it seems a little over optimistic to me to say that we know ourselves, or to say that I know that the me of today is "the same person" (whatever I might mean by that) as the me of yesterday or last week or 1965.

Re: The Cloned-Consciousness-as-Continuous-Consciousness Fallacy

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I came to conclusion that torturing Sims is indeed morally wrong. Now it's not that much wrong, because they are not very self-aware, but if they were more self-aware, it would be very wrong. So yeah, killing clones or even virtual replicas willy-nilly is wrong. On the other hand, I would have no problem with teleportation-via-cloning. I don't have a problem with being unconscious every night, after all (kudos to htt…

If torturing sims is morally wrong is it also morally wrong to stop the simulation destroying their universe?

Yes and no. It's not wrong to just stop the simulation forever. Torturing or repeatedly killing a virtual being for fun is wrong, but turning off ("killing") a virtual being for the purpose of it being turned off is acceptable.

However, it can be wrong to erase their universe, if that potentially destroys something interesting the virtual beings have created.

In other words, the intent matters. Killing a mouse for fun is immoral, killing it to research cancer is not.

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