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Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Retaliation

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Re: Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Retaliation

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #84
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I mean, their representatives signed the Warsaw Pact without gun to their heads That's because these "representatives" were not representing the people of their countries. They were representing the interests of the USSR in those countries. I'll give you an example of what it looks like when something does not happen against the will of a country. In the 1960s, at the hight of the cold war, France asked NATO to leav…

They were certainly influenced to unhealthy degree, but those were still national countries represented by people of their nations. I imagine Soviets just took leading Polish/Hungarian/etc communist parties and made them the government. They still were Poles/Hungarians/etc. In 1968, Albania withdrew from Warsaw pact. And that was it.

The people of those countries were never asked who they wanted to represent them. So there were no representatives.

Re: Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Retaliation

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Post by guard-of-terra »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #91
guard-of-terra wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were certainly influenced to unhealthy degree, but those were still national countries represented by people of their nations. I imagine Soviets just took leading Polish/Hungarian/etc communist parties and made them the government. They still were Poles/Hungarians/etc. In 1968, Albania withdrew from Warsaw pact. And that was it.

The people of those countries were never asked who they wanted to represent them. So there were no representatives.

So you think that any non-democratic country is totally irresponsible for what happens inside?

This in the world where China and Saudi Arabia are top players.

Re: Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Retaliation

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #92
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people of those countries were never asked who they wanted to represent them. So there were no representatives.

So you think that any non-democratic country is totally irresponsible for what happens inside? This in the world where China and Saudi Arabia are top players.

I would not characterise the actions of undemocratic regimes as representing the "will of the country".

The fact that we accept undemocratic regimes as legal representatives of their countries for pragmatic reasons doesn't change that.

Re: Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Retaliation

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Post by TryAgainMaybe »

qrendel wrote: post #45
TryAgainMaybe wrote: post #12

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Hilary does not want war with Russia. I mean, really. Sigh. This website.

Clinton is easily one of the most pro-war (meaning an aggressive and militaristic foreign policy) candidates since the end of Vietnam. Many sources on that but I'll link just two.[1][2] Her focus is primarily on Russia, as she openly stated during one of the Democratic debates (given a choice between Iran, Russia, and North Korea, she picked them as "the greatest threat"). The entire Syria thing is largely a proxy wa…

"she is the leading champion for U.S. invasions and war across the world these days"

Sigh. This website.

Re: Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Retaliation

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Post by guard-of-terra »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #93
guard-of-terra wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you think that any non-democratic country is totally irresponsible for what happens inside? This in the world where China and Saudi Arabia are top players.

I would not characterise the actions of undemocratic regimes as representing the "will of the country". The fact that we accept undemocratic regimes as legal representatives of their countries for pragmatic reasons doesn't change that.

Then you should totally stop blaming Russians. Who were under undemocratic regime while a part of another entity (USSR).

Re: Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Retaliation

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #95
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would not characterise the actions of undemocratic regimes as representing the "will of the country". The fact that we accept undemocratic regimes as legal representatives of their countries for pragmatic reasons doesn't change that.

Then you should totally stop blaming Russians. Who were under undemocratic regime while a part of another entity (USSR).

I'm not blaming the Russian people. I'm blaming the USSR, that is the regime in power at the time.

I guess what went wrong in this debate - and it was my fault as well - is that for a democratic country, we can often get away with using sloppy language that conflates "country" and "people". But for undemocratic regimes, that no longer works.

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