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The Day the Moon Blew Up

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Re: The Day the Moon Blew Up

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Seveneves is one of my favorites, even though it gets mixed reactions from a lot of others who've read titles like Anathem. I can't compare it to Anathem (the only other Stephenson book I've read so far is Cryptonomicon; looking to change that), but I can say I love the technical depth. Perhaps it's because it helps me suspend disbelief much more easily, though Bill's point that "if you’re the sort of reader who does…

> The only thing that somewhat frustrated me about it, as I suspect is the case for most people, is the fact that the last third of the book feels like it could (should?) stand on its own For me that last third part feels... rushed? I can not really explain it but the first two thirds of the book were awesome and then when you reach the last part you feel like Stephenson had to meed a deadline for printing and that p…

He was world building, you basically read a book setting up for what could be turned into an RPG/MMO or series of books or TV/movie properties. The last part of the book is just setting up this world, the first two books were explaining how it all came to be. If you read up you'll see he's been sitting on this concept for some time and shopped it around for those puproses.

I look forward to more books based on the world in the third book/part, an MMO seems like a cool idea too.

Re: The Day the Moon Blew Up

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I greatly enjoyed some of Stephenson's other works, but I was actually a bit disappointed with Seveneves. The narrative is well crafted, but unfortunately I just got stuck on the whole space ark concept and couldn't suspend disbelief enough to continue. Maybe someone else can explain why it made sense to focus on an orbiting refuge, right in the path of the Moon's fragments, rather than dig a bunch of underground cit…

You might like Hugh Howie's "Wool" series...

Yup, loved Wool.

Re: The Day the Moon Blew Up

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Seveneves is one of my favorites, even though it gets mixed reactions from a lot of others who've read titles like Anathem. I can't compare it to Anathem (the only other Stephenson book I've read so far is Cryptonomicon; looking to change that), but I can say I love the technical depth. Perhaps it's because it helps me suspend disbelief much more easily, though Bill's point that "if you’re the sort of reader who does…

> the only other Stephenson book I've read so far is Cryptonomicon Absolutely recommend "Diamond Age" and to a lesser extent (but more fun) "Snowcrash". I started "Cryptonomicon" right after reading Singh's "The Code Book", and it just felt like Stephenson did a sub-par job with the subject material (perhaps especially because "The Code Book" isn't fiction, but almost reads like it). Did start "Seveneves" when there…

Snow Crash and Diamond Age were my introduction to Stephenson in the late 90's. So far, of the ones I've read they are probably the most accessible and, as you mention, fun.

Even though it's not essential in any way to read them in that order, The Diamond age is hinted to take place later on in the same world as Snow Crash so if you've got no preference for which order to read them, you might as well go that route. There a couple of winks to Snow Crash readers in The Diamond Age.

Re: The Day the Moon Blew Up

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I enjoyed Seveneves but thought it wasn't Stephenson's best work by far. I'd rate Anathem and Snow Crash much higher than it.

Same here, plus The Diamond Age. I read them all as they came out, and the shorter earlier books (The Big U, Snowcrash) had much more impact on me than the longer later ones.

Or course, it's impossible to read Snowcrash today and feel anything like the same impact because ideas that were pretty far out way back then are commonplace today.

Re: The Day the Moon Blew Up

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>Seveneves belongs in the subgenre of hard science fiction, which means it emphasizes scientific accuracy. Everything adheres to physical laws, so unlike Star Wars, no one travels anywhere near the speed of light. A pity then that a little basic chemistry eluded both the writer and the critic - there's no carbon on the moon. Rather difficult to support humans, and carry out feats of biotechnology, without it...

That was covered at least in passing. The comet they capture and use to reach the Cleft provides the sources of carbon and other elements that are hard to get. Presumably long enough to build and launch slow missions to capture and redirect other sources (happens 'off screen'). > "The black stuff has all kind of goodies on it. Carbon, obviously. But also nitrogen, ptoassium---" "Micronutrients," Markus said, "that th…

but isn't it all poisoned by those pesky radioactive flea particles? Or was that problem only insurmountable due to the limited resources of the comet expedition?

Re: The Day the Moon Blew Up

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The whole last third of the book makes waaay more sense when you think of it as an MMO backstory: - Two factions (literally, red and blue) with mostly the same but kinda different everything - Thirteen-plus subspecies of human, with their own unique racial bonuses and skills (chain whip thing!). - Pristine, empty, Earth-like local, ripe for building... - ...and with monsters! And treasure! Right?!

Or a fanfic playground, where writers are free to reuse the same basic cast of predefined stereotypes without interfering with each other's characters.

I think it's typical Stephenson: start with a clearly identifiable grand idea, get wildly sidetracked working towards it until the digressions are something much better, leave a skeletal version of the original idea for the end.

Re: The Day the Moon Blew Up

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> the only other Stephenson book I've read so far is Cryptonomicon Absolutely recommend "Diamond Age" and to a lesser extent (but more fun) "Snowcrash". I started "Cryptonomicon" right after reading Singh's "The Code Book", and it just felt like Stephenson did a sub-par job with the subject material (perhaps especially because "The Code Book" isn't fiction, but almost reads like it). Did start "Seveneves" when there…

Snow Crash and Diamond Age were my introduction to Stephenson in the late 90's. So far, of the ones I've read they are probably the most accessible and, as you mention, fun. Even though it's not essential in any way to read them in that order, The Diamond age is hinted to take place later on in the same world as Snow Crash so if you've got no preference for which order to read them, you might as well go that route. T…

The only references I remember are the smart-wheel wheelchair and the old woman who remembers the "chiseled spam" advertisement for them. Any other hints you can recall?

Re: The Day the Moon Blew Up

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Seveneves is one of the best sci-fi books I've ever read. It was a hard emotional ride. (small spoiler follows) One of the interesting gems I remember: the surviving humans looked back at the recordings of their ancestors, in particular about how their behaviour was affected by social networks - and collectively decided not to pursue that aspect of the Internet. (This may actually be a plausible in-universe answer fo…

Watching people fight on Facebook and Twitter, I frequently recall Stephenson's vision of the human race nearly destroying itself with flame wars.

Re: The Day the Moon Blew Up

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I greatly enjoyed some of Stephenson's other works, but I was actually a bit disappointed with Seveneves. The narrative is well crafted, but unfortunately I just got stuck on the whole space ark concept and couldn't suspend disbelief enough to continue. Maybe someone else can explain why it made sense to focus on an orbiting refuge, right in the path of the Moon's fragments, rather than dig a bunch of underground cit…

Well...... You'd clearly be right if you were looking at a timeframe of a few years, or a few decades, or maybe a century or two. But if you successfully establish a long term presence in space, you've got access to a lot of resources. If you're stuck in a hole in the ground for 5,000 years, and the surface is considerably more hostile than space, I think there's at least a colorable argument that space is the way to…

Humanity has little experience with the speed of language evolution in presence of audiovisual recording technology. The Quran did not prevent Arabic dialects from diverging, but it sure slowed down evolution compared to other languages that did not have their own religious texts or got translations only much later. I think it is quite reasonable to expect an even lower amount of change with a vast, well studied corpus of audiovisual material.

(My personal illusion breaker was thermal management of the off-screen survivors: I usually would not dare to nitpick on such a thing, but when the topic has been elaborated so deeply for the ark-dwellers, I just can't switch back to the default mode of happy ignorance that quickly, in the same book)

Re: The Day the Moon Blew Up

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, I've read both Anathem and Seveneves, and while I appreciate that Earth is referenced in the former, I don't recall anything that felt like it may connect (no hint of a multiverse in Seveneves, f.e.). I think I read some interview with Neal a while back where he said he hadn't considered writing anything else in the same universe as Seveneves, but if there was interest, he may come up with something. Obviously th…

It's the Purpose vibe. Plus all the mystery about the Agent. But then, I didn't get the Hitchhikers' Guide joke about that :(

Many of Stephenson's books have some hint of Purpose to them. Either the characters are working towards their own purpose a la Avi and HEAP + Crypt or are being guided by people with a purpose like Fraa Erasmas in Anathem or Hacksworth in Diamond Age.
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