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Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by scrollaway »

jeswin wrote: post #64
nivla wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Honestly, say what you will about Google, but I can't imagine them ever threatening another software company with software patents. That is a naive fanboy outlook towards a company. Its a well known fact that Google bought Motorola only for the patents. Google has also managed to use the patents to sue other companies including Microsoft. Although I still believe it is the game that is flawed and not the players. Go…

I am not a Google fanboy, I am merely saying they abide by the spirit of Open Source. I just used them as an example. RedHat is another example. > Google has also managed to use the patents to sue other companies including Microsoft. Can you post a link to Google suing Microsoft first (not in retaliation)? Google was way behind in the patent game until they got hurt. Google bought Motorola to have a defensive patent…

Google replaced their XMPP messaging system by Hangouts, a 100% closed protocol with no signs of even wanting to open source it.

From a FOSS pov, both Google and Microsoft have positive and negative sides to it. They're massive companies, you can't judge them as one giant blob.

What MS is doing right now with .NET is fantastic for open source. Just like what Google is doing right now with Hangouts is frankly bullshit. Judge actions, not entities.

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by lottin »

ifdefdebug wrote: post #82
jeswin wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not a Google fanboy, I am merely saying they abide by the spirit of Open Source. I just used them as an example. RedHat is another example. > Google has also managed to use the patents to sue other companies including Microsoft. Can you post a link to Google suing Microsoft first (not in retaliation)? Google was way behind in the patent game until they got hurt. Google bought Motorola to have a defensive patent…

> MS is doing Open Source today because it really has no choice And that's a good thing. It shows the strength of open source. MS is a company. Just as Google. Companies will "work towards the best interests of the movement" as long as those interests converge with theirs: make money. AFAIK large portions of Google's core business are closed source. They are not in open source for love.

MS has had in the past a systematic pattern of bullying, lying, cheating and a willingness to destroy social welfare by eliminating the competition and making their products the only option available in the market. This is extremely damaging. Yes every company wants to make money, but not every company will resort to that kind of sociopathic behaviour. Maybe they've changed, although I doubt it. I'm just saying - be careful.

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by m_fayer »

alashley wrote: post #81

As an aside, has anyone here created a Xamarin android app using material design? I was recently trying to integrate their component for the design support library, but it seemed horribly buggy.

Actively working with it now, seems fine to me, maybe you're using an old version of the design support lib?

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

#94

Post by gregmac »

greenspot wrote: post #59

First thought: Xamarin is now open source—great! Second thought: Every time I looked into Xamarin (and I do this every 6 months) there was a lack of killer apps created with Xamarin on both iOS and Android, users' experiences with Xamarin were either rare or negative and in total the community felt non-existent Third thought: Ok got it, they open source to get PR, build a community; I hope that helps and it's not the…

> they open source to get PR, build a community; I hope that helps and it's not their last resort

It's not that: Microsoft acquired Xamarin earlier this year [1].

Xamarin is also holding a conference [2] right now, so I suspect this announcement is part of that.

Edit: Yes, it was. [3]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11169215

[2] https://evolve.xamarin.com/live

[3] https://adtmag.com/articles/2016/04/27/xamarin-evolve-16.asp...

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by alashley »

m_fayer wrote: post #93
alashley wrote: post #81

As an aside, has anyone here created a Xamarin android app using material design? I was recently trying to integrate their component for the design support library, but it seemed horribly buggy.

Actively working with it now, seems fine to me, maybe you're using an old version of the design support lib?

Hmm, its possible. I tried installing via NuGet and also the component store when that didn't work, but I'll just give it another shot, thanks!

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by dsp1234 »

treehau5 wrote: post #88
sremani wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets agree there are levels of open-ness and not being a Gnu-level or RedHat level OSS does not mean the contributions are not worth it nor should not be acknowledged.

Well I will most certainly agree there is "publicly accessible" source, which is essentially what Microsoft, Facebook, and the likes have, where you can view the code, but getting a pull request accepted requires signing a CLA (with varying levels of avarice) and conforming to the goals of the organization, rather than the project. (Actually I will defend facebook by saying their CLA is not that egregious, and accord…

Well I will most certainly agree there is "publicly accessible" source,

It's not just publicly accessible, it's MIT licensed with a patent grant. You could take the code, modify it in literally any way you want, wrap it in a commercial product and resell it. It doesn't come more free or open source without actually being public domain.

What you're asking for appears to be some sort of 'super open source' where not only are free to view, modify, and distribute your code, but also have to a right to have your code merged into the mainline of the code. What you're asking for goes well beyond the four freedoms.[0]

[0] - http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by AlexC04 »

AlwaysBCoding wrote: post #62
greenspot wrote: post #59

First thought: Xamarin is now open source—great! Second thought: Every time I looked into Xamarin (and I do this every 6 months) there was a lack of killer apps created with Xamarin on both iOS and Android, users' experiences with Xamarin were either rare or negative and in total the community felt non-existent Third thought: Ok got it, they open source to get PR, build a community; I hope that helps and it's not the…

No, use React Native

That's an unhelpful answer and misleading.

React native has a LOT of attention. It has a lot of support. BUT as of this writing if you are developing in corporate IT (meaning possibly running windows 7 systems) you actually CANNOT run react-native tools on windows easily.

I'm currently building an ionic project because I needed a cross-plat mobile app and work with a mix of OSX and windows 7 machines.

Now that said, windows 10 systems with the ubuntu emulator should be able to emulate all the calls you need to run react native on windows machines.

HOWEVER windows 10 bash has not yet implemented all 350 linux system calls (https://wpdev.uservoice.com/forums/266908-command-prompt-con...) and there is no guarantee that is bug free.

I'd hate to be 2 months into development to find there are deep internals that block me from using a critical feature.

None of this is to say Xamarin doesn't have its own baggage. The reason I web with cordova/ionic was for the good of the other developers on my team (html+css+javascript over C#) and, at the time, the additional cost of the Xamarin licenses.

I would have given XAMARIN a much closer look if it were bundled with a Visual Studio license, and all things considered, if I were looking today, it might beat out React Native.

That said, I do agree that react-native MAY be the way forward in the next generation, but, Xamarin does have more than enough upside to make it a reasonable contender.

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by tacos »

greenspot wrote: post #59

First thought: Xamarin is now open source—great! Second thought: Every time I looked into Xamarin (and I do this every 6 months) there was a lack of killer apps created with Xamarin on both iOS and Android, users' experiences with Xamarin were either rare or negative and in total the community felt non-existent Third thought: Ok got it, they open source to get PR, build a community; I hope that helps and it's not the…

Couple billion dollars in revenue generated with it via Unity alone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(game_engine) -- and that was a HORRIBLE version of it. Way better now.

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by ifdefdebug »

lottin wrote: post #92
ifdefdebug wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> MS is doing Open Source today because it really has no choice And that's a good thing. It shows the strength of open source. MS is a company. Just as Google. Companies will "work towards the best interests of the movement" as long as those interests converge with theirs: make money. AFAIK large portions of Google's core business are closed source. They are not in open source for love.

MS has had in the past a systematic pattern of bullying, lying, cheating and a willingness to destroy social welfare by eliminating the competition and making their products the only option available in the market. This is extremely damaging. Yes every company wants to make money, but not every company will resort to that kind of sociopathic behaviour. Maybe they've changed, although I doubt it. I'm just saying - be…

In my opinion the sociopathicness of Microsoft's behavior has always been highly overrated.

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by geofft »

ghuntley wrote: post #17
spriggan3 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you link to gitter when you should actually like to the repos instead ?

Depends on how you learn. Some learn by being around others, social interaction, asking questions and absorbing knowledge. It's clear you fall into the latter category which likes to learn by diving right into the code, so here it is: .NET CLR Managed Runtime - https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr .NET Framework - https://github.com/dotnet/corefx .NET Compiler as a Service ("Roslyn") - https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn .…

Usually what I look for is a description of the project. I don't know what an "Orleans Actor Framework" is. The GitHub link gives me a README with a description and links to examples. The Gitter link is a bunch of people who already know about the project talking about details of it, which is harder to learn from I think. (Right now there are people comparing it with "SF". Not sure what that is.)

If there were something like Gitter that showed README.md and the chat room and not the code, then yeah, that's probably a better home page.

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