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The Bitcoin hash rate has increased by 28.2% over the last month

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Re: The Bitcoin hash rate has increased by 28.2% over the last month

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And still no discussion on the value of pissing away our planets energy reserves, just to create imaginary points in a paranoid game. In one view, all the electricity burned to make bitcoins is a crime against the planet.

You're correct. The problem is that bitcoin exists due to holes in the regulatory structure. People mine because people need anonymous value transfers. If you allow people to purchase drugs/gamble/capital-flight/etc with credit cards, then this externality cost will go away :)

> People mine because people need anonymous value transfers.

No, people mine because a global contest was the only way to create a self synchronized global database. Why a global database? To avoid the problem of double spending that all other electronic money initiatives had. But this is a distributed instead of a centralized database.

The process of mining is a way to make all miners maintain the blockchain in working order. Every miner has a copy of the full blockchain DB and all these copies are in sync. In fact, a mined block is a list of transactions between accounts, with their corresponding digital signatures.

The incentive of giving a token size of bitcoins to the first miner that finds the correct hash signature was to make mining something that people would like to do, instead of a burden for everyone.

If you can find another way to make a group of very diverse people, with possibly diverse interests in the game, to maintain a distributed networked database in sync, welcome to the community.

In fact, some groups are starting to test one alternative to mining, called Proof of Stake. If it is better for everyone, then another currency instead of Bitcoin will take the crown.

Re: The Bitcoin hash rate has increased by 28.2% over the last month

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tl;dr

"Yap has no metal. There’s nothing to make into coins. What the Yapese do instead is sail 250 miles to an island called Palau, where there’s a particular kind of limestone not available on their home island. They quarry the limestone, and then shape it into circular wheel-like forms with a hole in the middle, called fei. Some of these fei stones are absolutely huge, fully 12 feet across. Then they sail the fei back t…

"In fact there are three freely convertible currencies in the Galaxy, but none of them count. The Altairian Dollar has recently collapsed, the Flainian Pobble Bead is only exchangeable for other Flainian Pobble Beads, and the Triganic Pu has its own very special problems. Its exchange rate of eight Ningis to one Pu is simple enough, but since a Ningi is a triangular rubber coin six thousand eight hundred miles along each side, no one has ever collected enough to own one Pu. Ningis are not negotiable currency, because the Galactibanks refuse to deal in fiddling small change. From this basic premise it is very simple to prove that the Galactibanks are also the product of a deranged imagination."

Re: The Bitcoin hash rate has increased by 28.2% over the last month

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https://twitter.com/celestialweasel/status/44062951919230566...

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n08/john-lanchester/when-bitcoin-gr...

> Behind the user-friendly façade of chip and pin are cryptographic techniques of industrial strength.

oh dear... the rest of the article was good, though.

Re: The Bitcoin hash rate has increased by 28.2% over the last month

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http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n08/john-lanchester/when-bitcoin-gr...

> Behind the user-friendly façade of chip and pin are cryptographic techniques of industrial strength. oh dear... the rest of the article was good, though.

They also claimed that all crypto is based on prime numbers, while bitcoin is actually not, and called hashes "encryption". They sound like they sort of know what they're talking about, but jump to conclusions and assume their educated guesses are correct without looking them up.

Re: The Bitcoin hash rate has increased by 28.2% over the last month

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citation needed. There is no limit to the energy burned to create bitcoins; it is increasing by design. And, other digital currency implementation don't require 'mining' at all; just the paranoid ones.

> There is no limit to the energy burned to create bitcoins Nonsense. No one will burn more energy to create bitcoins than those bitcoins are worth, the limit is market price. And if you think bitcoin is burning more energy than the existing banking system, well then you're just not in touch with reality my friend. > And, other digital currency implementation don't require 'mining' at all; just the paranoid ones. Whi…

They are independent (trust and mining). Mining is just one solution to minting, and only chosen to limit the rate of inflation. Other solutions exist. Don't get the cart before the horse.

Re: The Bitcoin hash rate has increased by 28.2% over the last month

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Doing some back of the envelope calculations.. Hash rate is about 1,200 PH now. The most efficient ASIC miner today is the AntMiner S7 [1], which does 4.86 TH at 1.21 KW. This gives us a power consumption of the entire Bitcoin network of at least 300 MW. Actual power will easily be double that, given that not everybody is using the latest miner. So let's say total power consumption is about 600 MW. This is the output…

Every hour 25 bitcoins are mined, at a current value of $450, that's $11250. So if the total power expenditure of bitcoin hashing is 600MW, it would have to cost less than $11250/600 = $18.75/MWH for electricity to not mine at a loss, which is insanely cheap. Therefore the hashing chips must be considerably more efficient than the latest commercially available products. I think the major players get hashing chips man…

Actually, the present value is the consideration of the future value of the return: PV = FV / (1+r)^n. Anyone who is bit mining now is willing to do it at discount on the assumption the coins will have greater value in the future. I'm not surprised at all that it's being mined below cost.

Re: The Bitcoin hash rate has increased by 28.2% over the last month

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I think it's a worse crime to say that because you have access to a stable, relatively apolitical currency, that no one else needs one. Bitcoin could be hugely beneficial for fledgling financial systems, and robust financial systems can be hugely beneficial for billions of people. Our energy crisis was not created by, and will not be solved by, Bitcoin. Numerous monetary crises could be addressed in serious ways by i…

> Numerous monetary crises could be addressed in serious ways by it, though. That may be true, however, every time we've replaced one currency with another there have been unforeseen consequences decades or centuries later. One dead-simple example: A bitcoin can be divided down to 8 decimal places and there is a limited supply. It is deflationary. No, that isn't a good thing (ignoring short-term greed). What happens…

If that ever becomes a problem, there's Ether to the rescue.

Re: The Bitcoin hash rate has increased by 28.2% over the last month

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> There is no limit to the energy burned to create bitcoins Nonsense. No one will burn more energy to create bitcoins than those bitcoins are worth, the limit is market price. And if you think bitcoin is burning more energy than the existing banking system, well then you're just not in touch with reality my friend. > And, other digital currency implementation don't require 'mining' at all; just the paranoid ones. Whi…

They are independent (trust and mining). Mining is just one solution to minting, and only chosen to limit the rate of inflation. Other solutions exist. Don't get the cart before the horse.

> hey are independent (trust and mining).

Oh but they are not. People wish it so but it just ain't so.

> Mining is just one solution to minting

Yes, the only successful one. Every other solution that tries to remove mining comes with bigger flaws which why no other coin has taken off. Every alt coin that exists today is a failed experiment.

> Other solutions exist.

Other failed solutions that have prevented any other coin from being able to process payments of the scale Bitcoin processes.

Mining is core to Bitcoins success as it's the only solution that actually works well enough to have gained traction.

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