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Porn site xHamster blocks North Carolina users to protest anti-LGBT law

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Re: Porn site xHamster blocks North Carolina users to protest anti-LGBT law

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So a porn website (by far, the most effective mean to objectify women) is protesting a law that adds a new layer of social pressure towards women and girls. I don't see men having a problem with women entering mens room. But I do see women feeling uncomfortable with a man entering woman's room. No matter how far will the theory of subjective gender go, it will take decades, if ever, until women and men will simply ig…

> So a porn website (by far, the most effective mean to objectify women)

i find this phrasing to be curious. perhaps you're only suggesting that it "objectifies women". well, sure - but it also objectifies men. rarely are the chaps more than grunting and thrusting animalistic instruments of sex, are they? i think it's a valuable thing to be aware of objectification and whether we're treating any givern person with consideration, but at the same time, "objectification" isn't some objectively (!) negative abstract bogeyman.

> But I do see women feeling uncomfortable with a man entering woman's room.

should a female-to-male transgendered person, dressed and groomed and to most people's eye a seeming "biological man" - potentially with facial hair, even - be forced to use the women's room? would this not cause the same discomfort you describe?

> And second, basically any person can claim to be of the opposite gender, and walk in to fulfill a sexual fantasy, even a mild one.

i think fear mongering using unclear, disembodied "sexual fantasy" isn't all that productive of a conversation. it's about on par with "won't someone think of the children?"

> I simply don't understand what is the huge effort in using the restroom appropriate to your physical gender, and simply avoid the psychological conflict with the rest of the population.

not sure i follow - you're saying that someone like Buck Angel[1] would be more comfortable using the women's restroom? that any women in said restroom wouldn't be wondering why a man was in there?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_Angel

Re: Porn site xHamster blocks North Carolina users to protest anti-LGBT law

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> I simply don't understand what is the huge effort in using the restroom appropriate to your physical gender, and simply avoid the psychological conflict with the rest of the population. I suspect you haven't really been paying attention and are just submitting your gut feeling here. For example, in attempting to prevent your hypothetical "sexual fantasy" scenario, here's one real consequence of this law: https://tw…

That tweet espouses way more stereotypes than it's supposed to mock.

Care to elaborate?

Re: Porn site xHamster blocks North Carolina users to protest anti-LGBT law

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Pornography doesn't innately require sexual exploitation.

Money is a coercive agent in any situation, and coerced sex acts are rape.

Do you view prostitution as rape?

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Then clearly we should live in an anarchy. Like, what's your point?

We could outlaw using meth. But if is legal to sell, import, produce, and store meth. Then it is too easy to break the using meth law. We could outlaw getting in car accidents. But if it is legal speed, drive drunk, and run red lights. Then it is too easy to break the car accident law. My point is sure we outlaw harrasement but for those that may want to do that, allowing them to go into a room where women are alone…

we should legislate that all men must be under constant video surveillance. not being on camera makes it too easy to break the law.

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So a porn website (by far, the most effective mean to objectify women) is protesting a law that adds a new layer of social pressure towards women and girls. I don't see men having a problem with women entering mens room. But I do see women feeling uncomfortable with a man entering woman's room. No matter how far will the theory of subjective gender go, it will take decades, if ever, until women and men will simply ig…

What is "physical gender"? If a person looks like a man, acts like a man, and thinks of themselves as a man, do women really want this person in the women's bathroom just because they were born with two X chromosomes? How can such a person "simply avoid the psychological conflict" when a law mandates their choice of bathroom based on their genes? The bathroom of least conflict is illegal for them to enter!

This is a totally confused issue. The popular Reddit forum for women calls itself "TwoXChromosomes" but also disallows transphobia. Now, in some people's books, even this equation of having two X chromosomes with being a woman is reductively cisnormative or transphobic.

As gender reassignment doesn't affect genetics, I think the fairest interpretation is to consider that we just aren't there yet in terms of the biology of gender reassignment. But even stating this is unacceptable to some.

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What is "physical gender"? If a person looks like a man, acts like a man, and thinks of themselves as a man, do women really want this person in the women's bathroom just because they were born with two X chromosomes? How can such a person "simply avoid the psychological conflict" when a law mandates their choice of bathroom based on their genes? The bathroom of least conflict is illegal for them to enter!

This is a totally confused issue. The popular Reddit forum for women calls itself "TwoXChromosomes" but also disallows transphobia. Now, in some people's books, even this equation of having two X chromosomes with being a woman is reductively cisnormative or transphobic. As gender reassignment doesn't affect genetics, I think the fairest interpretation is to consider that we just aren't there yet in terms of the biolo…

What makes that the fairest interpretation? There are trans people who look and act just like the gender they identify with. Letting them use the bathroom of the gender they identify with makes the most sense to me, not only for them, but for everyone else. Saying that genetics are what really matter and you have to use the bathroom determined by your chromosomes just seem lazy, not fair.

Re: Porn site xHamster blocks North Carolina users to protest anti-LGBT law

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So a porn website (by far, the most effective mean to objectify women) is protesting a law that adds a new layer of social pressure towards women and girls. I don't see men having a problem with women entering mens room. But I do see women feeling uncomfortable with a man entering woman's room. No matter how far will the theory of subjective gender go, it will take decades, if ever, until women and men will simply ig…

> I simply don't understand what is the huge effort in using the restroom appropriate to your physical gender, and simply avoid the psychological conflict with the rest of the population. I suspect you haven't really been paying attention and are just submitting your gut feeling here. For example, in attempting to prevent your hypothetical "sexual fantasy" scenario, here's one real consequence of this law: https://tw…

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That tweet espouses way more stereotypes than it's supposed to mock.

Care to elaborate?

That a man entering a women's restroom is something to be feared of (!), that a woman's loyalty depends on somebody shielding her from strange men and that a husband's duty is to shield her

By the same logic, mixed restrooms are dangerous.

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Money is a coercive agent in any situation, and coerced sex acts are rape.

Non-consentual sex acts are rape. My ex did porn for years and no aspect of that was non-consentual. There's also plenty of amateur porn on xHamster.

Yes, and like I said, money makes the consent given questionable at best. Threats of violence can also be used to negate consent. Social pressure applies as well. These factors do not disappear in so called amateur pornography.

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This is a totally confused issue. The popular Reddit forum for women calls itself "TwoXChromosomes" but also disallows transphobia. Now, in some people's books, even this equation of having two X chromosomes with being a woman is reductively cisnormative or transphobic. As gender reassignment doesn't affect genetics, I think the fairest interpretation is to consider that we just aren't there yet in terms of the biolo…

What makes that the fairest interpretation? There are trans people who look and act just like the gender they identify with. Letting them use the bathroom of the gender they identify with makes the most sense to me, not only for them, but for everyone else. Saying that genetics are what really matter and you have to use the bathroom determined by your chromosomes just seem lazy, not fair.

I'm not talking about the bathroom issue, but responding to your question about physical gender. I'm in favour of permissive laws about this and similar scenarios.

The bigger problem here is things like so-called TERF (trans-exclusionary radical feminism) in which high profile feminists who display contempt for transgender people are unfairly lumped in with innocent people who are merely aware of the limitations of current medicine. That discussion (the TERF discussion) is a painful one to engage with. But maybe bringing that problem up is a non-sequitur.

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