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Recreating Daft Punk's Da Funk with Overtone and Leipzig

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Re: Recreating Daft Punk's Da Funk with Overtone and Leipzig

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Post by coldtea »

armandososa wrote: post #60
hanoz wrote: post #3

Well that's opened up a fascinating new world to me. Is there a name for that regular logarithmic by linear music notation in the first image? I suddenly feel like a whole lifetime of musical enjoyment has been denied to me by the utterly utterly ridiculous staff notation system.

If you like the idea of making music by "drawing" it like this, and you have access to a Windows Machine, I'd recommend playing with FLStudio. With other DAWs I've found that it is more difficult to make music with just a mouse, not requiring real instruments, microphones and (maybe multiple) MIDI controllers. I've been a Mac user for almost ten years now, but the lack of FLStudio for OSX makes me question that decis…

Actually FLStudio has a beta of version 12 that can run on OS X (natively -- not a port based on Wine, although it had that too previously). It will be released sometime soon they say, mid-late 2016 or early 2017 is my guess.

But apart from that, you can do the same things (although less builtin tooling for electronic music, but still enough) with Garageband, and, if you don't have invested in VSTs/AUs, Reason.

Re: Recreating Daft Punk's Da Funk with Overtone and Leipzig

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Post by coldtea »

tomc1985 wrote: post #80
lotyrin wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you describe what about the FLStudio piano roll makes it more suitable for making scores with a mouse than other piano rolls?

10+ year FL vet here. Most other DAW's have caught up with their piano roll implementation but I still like FL's the most. I think what makes it unique is its toolset -- as in, the toolbar up top -- as its modal editing workflow lets you add, delete, and then transform notes incredibly quickly. Most of these modes have a shortcut to get to them, and its easy to flip between them. It even has a chord option, which fun…

Reason is optimized of ITB too.

Re: Recreating Daft Punk's Da Funk with Overtone and Leipzig

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Post by coldtea »

andrewvc wrote: post #47

You're right. It's funny listening to this. They're playing the same song, but it's not even close to as good as the Daft version. The daft version is loud and has a bite. This version just sounds lethargic and boring.

Whooosh!

The idea is not to perfectly replicate the existing production, but to showcase the use and possibilities of the systems used.

Re: Recreating Daft Punk's Da Funk with Overtone and Leipzig

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Post by archagon »

hanoz wrote: post #3

Well that's opened up a fascinating new world to me. Is there a name for that regular logarithmic by linear music notation in the first image? I suddenly feel like a whole lifetime of musical enjoyment has been denied to me by the utterly utterly ridiculous staff notation system.

If you have an iPad lying around, I recently made an app called Composer's Sketchpad that uses this sort of notation to its fullest. You "draw" notes directly onto a logarithmic pitch grid, and instead of having to snap to the usual array of discrete piano-key pitches (ABCDEFG), you can start your notes at any point on the y-axis and arbitrarily pitch-bend them as you draw. I've found this to be the perfect interface for playing around with musical ideas, and particularly useful for writing out expressive solos — something staff notation is just terrible for!

Homepage: http://composerssketchpad.com

Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypsLgTY8NXs

Re: Recreating Daft Punk's Da Funk with Overtone and Leipzig

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Post by archagon »

rorykoehler wrote: post #6
hanoz wrote: post #3

Well that's opened up a fascinating new world to me. Is there a name for that regular logarithmic by linear music notation in the first image? I suddenly feel like a whole lifetime of musical enjoyment has been denied to me by the utterly utterly ridiculous staff notation system.

It's a representation of a midi step sequencer. It's pretty standard in all DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) software. Staff notation is way more nuanced than this. In order to represent all the details on the midi ui it requires layers (like photoshop) for all the different parameters. On staff notation it's all there on one page. Staff notation might be a bigger learning curve but it's also a far superior way of com…

I disagree, at least as far as rhythm and pitch are concerned. For classical music, staff notation is great — but once you get into syncopation, soloing, and the general fluidity that comes with practically all popular music from the past century, it becomes untenable. Seriously, writing down guitar solos in staff notation is just gross. (I've previously written a little about it here: http://beta-blog.archagon.net/2016/02/05/composers-sketchpad...)

Re: Recreating Daft Punk's Da Funk with Overtone and Leipzig

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Post by jeremy7600 »

coldtea wrote: post #93
andrewvc wrote: post #47

You're right. It's funny listening to this. They're playing the same song, but it's not even close to as good as the Daft version. The daft version is loud and has a bite. This version just sounds lethargic and boring.

Whooosh! The idea is not to perfectly replicate the existing production, but to showcase the use and possibilities of the systems used.

Then they have failed.

Re: Recreating Daft Punk's Da Funk with Overtone and Leipzig

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Post by coldtea »

jeremy7600 wrote: post #96
coldtea wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whooosh! The idea is not to perfectly replicate the existing production, but to showcase the use and possibilities of the systems used.

Then they have failed.

I don't think anybody in here agrees. It's a very good introduction into the platforms.

Re: Recreating Daft Punk's Da Funk with Overtone and Leipzig

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Post by l33tbro »

dep_b wrote: post #48

The original seems to have been made by creating a feedback loop between one of the outputs and the filter input of an analog synthesizer. The examples I've seen were done on a Yamaha CS-15 but a lot of monophonic old analogs allow you to do that, like a MiniMoog. However the filters on a CS-15 are quite unique, don't think you can even do this exact patch on an MS-20. https://youtu.be/W4PEAKNtbVw?t=184 A good explan…

The original was recorded on a Roland SH-101.

Re: Recreating Daft Punk's Da Funk with Overtone and Leipzig

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Post by tomc1985 »

coldtea wrote: post #92
tomc1985 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

10+ year FL vet here. Most other DAW's have caught up with their piano roll implementation but I still like FL's the most. I think what makes it unique is its toolset -- as in, the toolbar up top -- as its modal editing workflow lets you add, delete, and then transform notes incredibly quickly. Most of these modes have a shortcut to get to them, and its easy to flip between them. It even has a chord option, which fun…

Reason is optimized of ITB too.

Ah yes, Reason! It's been a while :)

Re: Recreating Daft Punk's Da Funk with Overtone and Leipzig

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Post by ChristianGeek »

Joof wrote: post #54
midgetjones wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those that don't want to learn how to read proper notation, usually.

I disagree; guitar has multiple fingerings for each note or chord and it's not necessarily clear which one will be the simplest to use when given regular staff notation. There's a huge jump in the complexity of how you need to reason about translating the music to the instrument with staff notation. Tabs solve this by explicitly telling the musician what fingering to use. Guitar players should still learn to read mus…

Properly written tablature uses spacing to indicate rhythm.
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