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Re: Apricity OS: A Beautiful Arch Linux Distro

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Post by burkaman »

sevensor wrote: post #88
burkaman wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does this quote mean? And what does it have to do with someone's package manager configuration?

It's from Atlas Shrugged , and I think it's trying to draw some kind of parallel between using Arch and struggling against oppressive forces of mental tyranny. As represented by Apricity perhaps? Arch is for heroic individualists? Arch is great and all. I love using it, but I get pretty impatient with people who think they're smarter than everyone else because they can follow the detailed instructions in a well-writt…

I don't think it's Atlas Shrugged, googling it brings up some kind of spiritual philosopher guru guy. It makes sense in that context, like he's justifying why most people don't understand his enlightened teachings. But I don't get why it's posted here.

Re: Apricity OS: A Beautiful Arch Linux Distro

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Post by swasheck »

sevensor wrote: post #88
burkaman wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does this quote mean? And what does it have to do with someone's package manager configuration?

It's from Atlas Shrugged , and I think it's trying to draw some kind of parallel between using Arch and struggling against oppressive forces of mental tyranny. As represented by Apricity perhaps? Arch is for heroic individualists? Arch is great and all. I love using it, but I get pretty impatient with people who think they're smarter than everyone else because they can follow the detailed instructions in a well-writt…

I only wish that you'd posted each sentence as separate comments so that I can upvote each one individually.

Back when I had freedom of choice for my OS at my place of employment, I wanted to learn about Linux so I chose it. Then I wanted to learn more about Linux so I moved from Ubuntu to Arch. At first, the documentation is a lifesaver. However, a bit of time invested in reading it carefully will also really educate someone in so many aspects of an OS. Not only that, but so many of the things that someone would really want to use are so well documented. I learned more about PostgreSQL administration and X from the Arch Wiki than the documentation from the actual projects themselves.

Re: Apricity OS: A Beautiful Arch Linux Distro

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Post by swasheck »

apatters wrote: post #75

I've had a lot of fun playing around with Arch, and it's taught me a lot about Linux, but it seems to me like the "rolling release, mostly unmodified sources from many third parties" update model is a no-go for anyone other than a very seasoned Linux user or someone with a lot of time on their hands. Things just break or otherwise don't work far too often. So, kudos to the guy who put this distro together but without…

the biggest issue i have ever had with it was back when they made the official change from `python` from 2.7->3. much breakage occurred at that time and it required a bit of fiddling with symlinks. it was resolved in about 30 minutes, 25 of which was isolating the problem.

Re: Apricity OS: A Beautiful Arch Linux Distro

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Post by sevensor »

tdkl wrote: post #45
freekh wrote: post #34

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Not sure why this downvoted? This is precisely the reason I went with Arch too: it is nothing more than a package system, systemd and a huge wiki that lets you grok how everything works. For everybody else there's a huge amount of distros that does the job fine (better?) without having the hassle of having to know how things are configured and what not...

I see those "distros" for certain kind of people. They installed Arch manually once or twice, liked the result and got comfortable with it. Now they want to get the install part out of their way and just get to the usable system. This "you're using it wrong" in Linux environment baffles me. > without having the hassle of having to know how things are configured and what not Really ? User doesn't need to know how to s…

Indeed. Since I switched to Arch, I've had to spend far less time fixing stuff than when I used Fedora, which reliably broke every six months whenever I tried to upgrade.

Re: Apricity OS: A Beautiful Arch Linux Distro

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Post by fmoralesc »

59nadir wrote: post #68
crdoconnor wrote: post #40

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I've found debian and ubuntu to be the best QA'd distros available. Followed by Fedora. After trying Arch and running into too many irritating bugs that I didn't have the patience to fix I gave up on it. Plus this didn't give me a good impression of the community's professionalism either: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Manjaro-Devs-Fix-Embarrassing...

Things like these are why #archlinux on Freenode hates Antergos; they're not responsible for how badly other communities handle their OS. The amount of troubleshooting that comes down to "Oh, that means Antergos/whoever are completely fucking up" is surprisingly high.

And people love Antergos when compared to Manjaro.

Re: Apricity OS: A Beautiful Arch Linux Distro

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Post by striking »

Johnny_Brahms wrote: post #38
striking wrote: post #14

An Arch system with defaults is not an Arch system. The beauty of Arch is that you set it up from head to toe, so you only have the things you need most. And if something breaks, you're more likely to be able to fix it. Accept no substitute. Vanilla Arch forever. (I accept that some people don't care about how the sausages are made. In that case, use Fedora or Debian or Ubuntu, in order of similarity to Arch.)

I like Arch. I would love to have it installed on my laptop, but then I don't want to spend the time actually installing and configuring it. I got fed up with that stuff using linux 15 years ago. I remember the days when you had to write your own device drivers. I don't long for them. In fact, I still cry a bit when I think about that day my RedHat 6 install configured eth0 for me. Imagine: Plugging a network cable i…

Setting up Arch is a simple as partitioning your hard drive, mounting it, pacstrapping it, and setting up the bootloader.

That's it, really. There's a bunch of stuff you probably want for a functional system, like user accounts and graphics drivers and stuff. And yes, Arch is still a pain with laptops. But with practice you can get it up "from scratch" in 20 minutes tops.

Hopefully you'll note that I didn't actually say anything about proving yourself. I even gave a list of other distros. But my point was that you don't need an Arch-based distro when there are plenty of distros that are better at giving you an easy way to set them up.

If one's ego is so seriously fragile that they depend on an operating system to feel adequate... well, it's kind of sad. It wasn't my intent to imply anything about people using distros I like less, if that's what you got. But this distro in particular is probably not as useful, because there are many more "user-friendly" distributions.

Re: Apricity OS: A Beautiful Arch Linux Distro

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Post by sevensor »

burkaman wrote: post #91
sevensor wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's from Atlas Shrugged , and I think it's trying to draw some kind of parallel between using Arch and struggling against oppressive forces of mental tyranny. As represented by Apricity perhaps? Arch is for heroic individualists? Arch is great and all. I love using it, but I get pretty impatient with people who think they're smarter than everyone else because they can follow the detailed instructions in a well-writt…

I don't think it's Atlas Shrugged, googling it brings up some kind of spiritual philosopher guru guy. It makes sense in that context, like he's justifying why most people don't understand his enlightened teachings. But I don't get why it's posted here.

Fascinating! You're right. I was misremembering the quote. Furthermore, it's from 1929, well before Atlas was written. Still, it sounds quite a lot like something John Galt would say. Who knew Ayn Rand was so eclectic?

Re: Apricity OS: A Beautiful Arch Linux Distro

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Post by _yy »

pkd wrote: post #59
_yy wrote: post #49

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It's indeed strange and definitely against the spirit. There's an excellent open source project which does this and much more: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.kde.kdecon...

KDEConnect pulls the whole KDE dependencies with it which I do not want while using Unity. That is the only thing that is stopping me from using it. Pushbullet works well for now.

Sure, but, meh. A few dozen RAW picture files take more space.

Storage is cheap nowadays and KDE applications generally are of such high quality that it's definitely worth it.

Other examples are Digikam (hands-down the best picture organizer) and Krita (which rivals Photoshop for digital artists).

Re: Apricity OS: A Beautiful Arch Linux Distro

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Post by patrickbolle »

rndstr wrote: post #83
Johnny_Brahms wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like Arch. I would love to have it installed on my laptop, but then I don't want to spend the time actually installing and configuring it. I got fed up with that stuff using linux 15 years ago. I remember the days when you had to write your own device drivers. I don't long for them. In fact, I still cry a bit when I think about that day my RedHat 6 install configured eth0 for me. Imagine: Plugging a network cable i…

For me the issue with Just Works distributions is that I actually spend more time reconfiguring all the parts than if I do it by myself from the ground up. In my opinion, Arch has the perfect balance between things just working and allowing you to decide whatever you want ro use. I just recently bought a new laptop that I had set up within a day. A lot of that time was spent playing around with various hidpi settings…

I agree with your idea of configuring stuff to an extent I'm a recent switcher to Arch and love it so far, but on my other laptop I use a Debian minimal install with i3wm and all my manually installed programs, and I find it is that fine line between easy to use (installing, drivers, etc) and manual configuration.

I love Arch, but Debian min install will always have a place in my heart for getting set up easily while still being extremely fast and custom.

Re: Apricity OS: A Beautiful Arch Linux Distro

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Post by freekh »

sevensor wrote: post #94
tdkl wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see those "distros" for certain kind of people. They installed Arch manually once or twice, liked the result and got comfortable with it. Now they want to get the install part out of their way and just get to the usable system. This "you're using it wrong" in Linux environment baffles me. > without having the hassle of having to know how things are configured and what not Really ? User doesn't need to know how to s…

Indeed. Since I switched to Arch, I've had to spend far less time fixing stuff than when I used Fedora, which reliably broke every six months whenever I tried to upgrade.

I suppose that says more about Fedora than Arch :) (context: happy with Arch - haven't tried Fedora)
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