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Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by comex »

Skinney wrote: post #89
ryanjshaw wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand your comment. I was responding to the parent stating: "Apple's been taking a number of steps over the last few months to show that they take Safari/WebKit development seriously." I'm annoyed because there are Safari-specific issues that as a Windows user I cannot debug, thus my comment that I cannot take Safari seriously. Like it or not, Windows is the dominant desktop platform.

I think what the parent is getting at, is that you've got the same problem regarding IE on Mac. There are IE specific issues that I as a OS X developer cannot debug.

At least Microsoft offers free VM images for precisely this purpose. Meanwhile, OS X barely works in a VM due to the lack of graphics acceleration (plus, running such a VM on a non-Mac is illegal).

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by scrollaway »

frou_dh wrote: post #86
om2 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why they only get the ability to programmatically trigger cut and copy, not paste.

I guess there's room for an attack of irritation where a user with something meaningful on their clipboard unwittingly triggers having it overwritten by some nonsense. (Most clipboards effectively being a single mutable item without history or stack/queue behaviour).

There's easier ways to irritate your users.

Most websites irritate their users, actually.

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by sandis »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #67
ryanjshaw wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll take them seriously when they release something that runs on Windows.

They did release Safari for Windows. Nobody used it, and I guess they figured the cost of upkeep wasn't worth it.

While it was pretty bad, I remember Safari for Windows rendering text much nicer than any Windows browser (or app) at the time - particularly, the font smoothing. I recall using Win Safari to take "marketing" screenshots of an web app.

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by chiph »

om2 wrote: post #71
chiph wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't ever enable clipboard integration -- a malicious site could use it to collect data by using the paste command with execCommand -- they'd grab whatever was on my clipboard, which could include my banking password from my password manager app that I was just getting ready to use.

That's why they only get the ability to programmatically trigger cut and copy, not paste.

Mozilla has it documented. Didn't see anything on the linked site.

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Document/ex...

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by masklinn »

ryan_lane wrote: post #63
sergiotapia wrote: post #35

Programmatic cut and copy to the clipboard It’s now possible to programmatically copy and cut text in response to a user gesture with document.execCommand('copy') and document.execCommand('cut'). Having this ability may eliminate some websites’ last need for the Flash plug-in. --- :'( - So much pain erased in a single stroke!

I do wonder why they didn't go with an API that other browsers are already supporting, though: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/ClipboardEv...

Did you consider reading the page you linked to?

Clipboard events are already supported by safari (which the page you've linked to notes) and they've got nothing to do with execCommand, they are about hooking and reacting to user-triggered clipboard operations e.g. the user pastes (via contextual menu or shortcut), the software can know about it and alter the content before it's pasted.

execCommand is about programmatically triggering clipboard events e.g. the user clicks a button in the page and the application translates that to a copy or paste event.

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by orik »

lobster_johnson wrote: post #65

While I'd love to use this app, there's no way to transfer your current Safari config — including extensions and the last browser session — to the Tech Preview. Copying the files doesn't work.

most of my settings came over through iCloud - I don't think last browser session or extensions are very important for them to support pulling across.

Re: Introducing Safari Technology Preview

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Post by lobster_johnson »

orik wrote: post #98
lobster_johnson wrote: post #65

While I'd love to use this app, there's no way to transfer your current Safari config — including extensions and the last browser session — to the Tech Preview. Copying the files doesn't work.

most of my settings came over through iCloud - I don't think last browser session or extensions are very important for them to support pulling across.

I have about 10 windows with umpteen tabs open. I do not want to go through the process of replicating that. Same with extensions.
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