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Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by pjc50 » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 12:51 PM UTC

rogeryu wrote: post #74

dmichulke wrote: post #7

As sad as it is, I think the responses will be: - we need more surveillance rights and money for the secret services - we need more police and higher spending - and possibly bomb some country (Syria is en vogue) What won't be said is: - How come this happens again without anyone having seen it coming? - What does it say about the success of the Western anti-terror foreign policy adopted ~2001?

> - How come this happens again without anyone having seen it coming? Knowing how Belgium handles their minorities in Brussels, it's not a big surprise. The fact that this happens now is neither a surprise. Salah Abdeslam has been caught, and there were messages that he wanted to cooperate with the Belgium police. Whether it's true or not, if they were planning something, and he knew about it, waiting was not a real…

Knowing how Belgium handles their minorities in Brussels, it's not a big surprise

Could you elaborate? Is this a banlieu situation?

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by mtgx » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 12:51 PM UTC

dmichulke wrote: post #7

As sad as it is, I think the responses will be: - we need more surveillance rights and money for the secret services - we need more police and higher spending - and possibly bomb some country (Syria is en vogue) What won't be said is: - How come this happens again without anyone having seen it coming? - What does it say about the success of the Western anti-terror foreign policy adopted ~2001?

Also - "how come nobody ever gets fired over such disasters?"

It's like the spy agencies and law enforcement are always highly competent and can never do any wrong.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by matthewmacleod » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 12:51 PM UTC

odinduty wrote: post #8

rplnt wrote: post #2

The comments there are... as expected I guess.

I guess it's hard to feel in any other way when recent migration policies have translated into a sharp decline of our own security in our own developed countries.

No they haven't. The recent attacks in Europe have not been caused by 'recent migrants'. That's just a bald-faced lie.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by tobltobs » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 12:52 PM UTC

michaelmcmillan wrote: post #77

twoquestions wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You and many others seem to post that there is a mental cancer infecting 1.5 billion people on this planet, and at any time it could transform its host into a bloodthirsty murderer seemingly at random. I don't buy it.

How do you explain that a person without any social or political grievances decide to abandon their computer science degree to fight for an Islamic state? [1] [1] Jihadi John: http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/02/27/the-horror-...

Not getting laid for too long.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by Kiro » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 12:52 PM UTC

themartorana wrote: post #15

This is a mess larger than I can comprehend, with scores of innocent dead. The spectrum of political issues this crosses is vast. We're talking nationalism, immigration, religion, extremism, surveillance, privacy, and war to name a few. The nuance required to understand and attack the big picture is almost nowhere to be found. I saw the French PM said something like "we're at war" - I'm not sure who they're at war wi…

> It's like a 99.999% chance it's not ISIS [...] it shows just how vastly uneducated most people are about the issues that lead to attacks like this.

The article you're linking to was written before the November attacks which certainly was by ISIS.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by matthewmacleod » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 12:52 PM UTC

raverbashing wrote: post #76

ascorbic wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Paris attackers were French and Belgian, not immigrants. This has been the case with almost all attacks in Europe, where the perpetrators have almost always been local.

"Local", yes, keep telling yourself that 2nd generation immigrants I'm not against immigration per se, but there's a lot of problems coming from people who fail (because it's mostly their responsibility) to integrate

Sure, there are loads of problems due to ghettoisation or whatever.

That has nothing to do with 'recent migration policies'.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by maniacalrobot » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 12:52 PM UTC

odinduty wrote: post #9

dmichulke wrote: post #7

As sad as it is, I think the responses will be: - we need more surveillance rights and money for the secret services - we need more police and higher spending - and possibly bomb some country (Syria is en vogue) What won't be said is: - How come this happens again without anyone having seen it coming? - What does it say about the success of the Western anti-terror foreign policy adopted ~2001?

Why would we bomb Syria? Isn't the al-Assad government working against ISIS and related organisations?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend?

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by ageofwant » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 12:53 PM UTC

kehrlann wrote: post #11

dmichulke wrote: post #7

As sad as it is, I think the responses will be: - we need more surveillance rights and money for the secret services - we need more police and higher spending - and possibly bomb some country (Syria is en vogue) What won't be said is: - How come this happens again without anyone having seen it coming? - What does it say about the success of the Western anti-terror foreign policy adopted ~2001?

Syria for sure, and there's also Libya. Ah, and don't forget the European border policies regarding (mostly Syrian) refugees...

Assad was one of the few that survived the Arab Spring. The Saudi's was another, and a US ally. It is interesting to note that one of the most regressive regimes in the world, Saudi Arabia is one of America's strongest allies in the middle east. But that's none of my business.

Many believe that getting rid of Assad will end the Syrian refugee crisis. Others observe that when the Saddam and Gaddafi heads were cut off the snake grew ISIS.

And so it goes.

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by rorykoehler » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 12:53 PM UTC

themartorana wrote: post #15

This is a mess larger than I can comprehend, with scores of innocent dead. The spectrum of political issues this crosses is vast. We're talking nationalism, immigration, religion, extremism, surveillance, privacy, and war to name a few. The nuance required to understand and attack the big picture is almost nowhere to be found. I saw the French PM said something like "we're at war" - I'm not sure who they're at war wi…

> And I don't know that those in charge are up to the task.

They created the mess in the first place with regressive colonial era imperialist policies. Just take a look at this photo from Afghanistan [0] before the US decided to arm the Taliban in a proxy war against the Russians.

[0] https://www.pinterest.com/pin/107734616059030266/

Re: Brussels Rocked by Terrorist Attacks

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Post by george_soros » Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 12:54 PM UTC

raverbashing wrote: post #76

ascorbic wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Paris attackers were French and Belgian, not immigrants. This has been the case with almost all attacks in Europe, where the perpetrators have almost always been local.

"Local", yes, keep telling yourself that 2nd generation immigrants I'm not against immigration per se, but there's a lot of problems coming from people who fail (because it's mostly their responsibility) to integrate

They don't fail to integrate, they don't want to. Big difference. I believe there will be a time in Europe, when people will have enough and will demand deportation of every muslim. So 99 good muslims will be deported for every 1 bad muslim. I'm not saying I want this time to come, but what else can happen ? Drastic times == drastic measures.