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In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

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Re: In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

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Post by api »

waterlesscloud wrote: post #82
api wrote: post #74

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Housing fell a little bit off the 2005 highs and the result was very nearly a total collapse of the financial system. The Fed and the government did everything they could to backstop housing (at the expense of housing affordability and banking system reform) and it's now permanently unaffordable. More accurately we could say that housing will never be allowed to fall. The entire economy will be sacrificed at the alta…

This chart for housing prices in San Jose fell off more than "a little bit." http://www.zillow.com/san-jose-ca/home-values/

There was a dip, sure, but that's not what I meant. There was no lasting correction.

Re: In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

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Post by tptacek »

waterlesscloud wrote: post #89
tptacek wrote: post #88

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I saw this comment because I read all of DannyBee's comments, because they are frequently pretty great. That's a big part of how I read HN. Another person I read religious is 'dang, whose comments are the informal moderator log of HN. And why I'm saying this to you is, pretty much everyone that gets called out for incivility on HN deploys the argument you just did: "my incivility was justified by the comment that pre…

And I mostly recognize your name from comments I find to be rude. So here we are. :-)

If you see another of those, please do call me out. You'd be doing me a favor. Rudeness is a tendency I have to fight hard to try to suppress.

Re: In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

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Post by waterlesscloud »

tptacek wrote: post #92
waterlesscloud wrote: post #89

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And I mostly recognize your name from comments I find to be rude. So here we are. :-)

If you see another of those, please do call me out. You'd be doing me a favor. Rudeness is a tendency I have to fight hard to try to suppress.

Honestly, I think I'm a little different from your average HN'er on this. And from dang as well. I don't care if you're "rude", I just care if you're right. I just don't place that high a value on civility, though I do understand that others do.

Truth be told, I kinda see that to my advantage, since I like to think it lets me see truths others miss when they're expressed in an uncivil manner.

Anyway, the other reason I know your id is that you're working to transform the very broken world of tech hiring, and I most sincerely wish you the best there.

Re: In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

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Post by tptacek »

waterlesscloud wrote: post #93
tptacek wrote: post #92

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If you see another of those, please do call me out. You'd be doing me a favor. Rudeness is a tendency I have to fight hard to try to suppress.

Honestly, I think I'm a little different from your average HN'er on this. And from dang as well. I don't care if you're "rude", I just care if you're right. I just don't place that high a value on civility, though I do understand that others do. Truth be told, I kinda see that to my advantage, since I like to think it lets me see truths others miss when they're expressed in an uncivil manner. Anyway, the other reason…

Thank you! That was nice of you to say.

Re: In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

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Post by dang »

fiatmoney wrote: post #86
emcq wrote: post #62

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That's some very wishful thinking. You have rich people like Robin Williams or Michelle Pfeiffer living here unlike Detroit, not to name countless CEOs and retired VCs who wont disappear. As for the rest of us plebs, SF has survived many boom and bust cycles [0], unlike Detroit. [0] http://sfist.com/2015/10/07/san_francisco_has_always_been_a_...

There were rich people living in Detroit, until they moved to Grosse Point and such. Is San Francisco, the geographic-political entity, that attractive that people wouldn't move 10 miles to Daly City or Burlingame to escape the SF municipal government?

The answer to that question is certainly yes.

Re: In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

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Post by pvg »

tptacek wrote: post #81
rosser wrote: post #57

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I'm sorry, but no. Private busses using public bus stops — and blocking public bus traffic — is not an income issue.

Are the private busses in any way holding up public bus service? Is there a serious reported story somewhere establishing this?

SFMTA's most recent evaluation:

https://www.sfmta.com/sites/default/files/projects/2015/Eval...

Re: In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

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Post by rosser »

pvg wrote: post #96
tptacek wrote: post #81

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Are the private busses in any way holding up public bus service? Is there a serious reported story somewhere establishing this?

SFMTA's most recent evaluation: https://www.sfmta.com/sites/default/files/projects/2015/Eval...

TL;DR: Of an average of ~3000 "stop events" per day, 2.7%, or 80-ish, resulted in a shuttle blocking MUNI.

Shuttles were also seen to block travel and/or bike lanes in some 35% of their stops.

Re: In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

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Post by ktothemc »

xur17 wrote: post #37
DannyBee wrote: post #23

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FWIW: A lot of those rock throwers were probably not in bad shape. That is because the real people being hurt were probably working their first or second job at the time that was happening, and didn't have time to throw rocks at buses because they'd get fired for not showing up to work.

Serious question: Who is getting hurt by Google driving people to work on buses. It seems like this reduces congestion, and helps the environment, which is good for everyone. What am I missing here?

For the nth time, it's not really about that. It's politics. It was an effective symbol for tenants rights activists to latch onto to get attention for eviction protections, which weren't going to momentum otherwise without a nice, sexy controversial symbol that would attract national media.

Re: In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

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Post by WalterSear »

untog wrote: post #13
WalterSear wrote: post #5

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Because that was before, obviously. Too much of the city relies on the tech economy now - the restaurants, the lyft/uber drivers, the building contractors, the dog walkers, the private school teachers.

But it transitioned towards a reliance on tech before now, there's nothing to suggest it cannot transition away to something else.

It certainly can and will. But not quickly, and with lot of suffering in the interim.

Re: In San Francisco and Rooting for a Tech Slowdown

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Post by fluxquanta »

jonknee wrote: post #65
fluxquanta wrote: post #56

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How is this any different from someone driving a 2017 Lexus versus a 1990 Toyota? Both may be a reflection of the income one receives. Both take up the same public infrastructure of the road and parking spaces.

I don't get your point, but if you park your car in a public bus stop you're an asshole regardless of its value.

You seemed to imply in your original comment that taking the Google bus versus not taking the Google bus boils down to a class issue of "haves" and "have nots", so I was trying to illustrate that no matter what that class distinction would still exist.
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