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Re: “Me”: The one word journalists should add to Twitter searches

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Post by gohrt »

judah wrote: post #68
vessenes wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's absolutely not. It's a case of someone engaging in deep sexism under the cover of their religion, and it should trouble anyone with a daughter or sister or wife. Whether that sexism is 'hatred' like you are holding out as a possibility, a patronizing/patriarchal "women should be protected", or a repressive "I don't want to sully a woman with my sexual thoughts about her", they are all deeply problematic beli…

The man should be the one to move, that's true. But it has nothing to do with patriarchal society or repression of women, nor any other Tumblr-esque negative view of people of faith. I personally don't wish to touch other women than my wife. It's a personal conviction to be respected.

Using "Tumblr" as a slur undermines your sensible defense of personal beliefs and religious attitudes.

Re: “Me”: The one word journalists should add to Twitter searches

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Post by vkou »

cgh wrote: post #85
hluska wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oddly, almost this exact issue was a major issue in the recent Canadian federal election. The Conservative government attempted to ban niqabs during citizenship ceremonies. They went so far as to appeal lower court rulings that doing so was against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. They lost the election and the new Liberal government ended the attempt to ban the Niqab. Interestingly, as the Conservative government…

>> It sounds so bizarre that a sitting Canadian government would suggest such a thing I, and many others who didn't vote Conservative, still supported their efforts to enforce a ban on such a regressive mode of dress during citizenship ceremonies. I don't think it's bizarre at all to address these sorts of things at a federal level. Citizenship is important and people who refuse to show their faces don't deserve it.…

So do I - which is why I think the only appropriate citizenship dress that properly demonstrates Canada's commitment to diversity is blue boot-cut jeans.

Re: “Me”: The one word journalists should add to Twitter searches

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Post by rdancer »

fenollp wrote: post #8

This is a really naive search method for a person whose job is to be good at this. It's like watching the Spotlight team going through volumes of data themselves… Isn't Data Journalist a thing already?

Their job isn't to be good. Their job is to convince the masses that they are. In order to sell that idea, it is beneficial if they believe their own bullshit, and that selects people who are not very good.

Re: “Me”: The one word journalists should add to Twitter searches

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Post by zeveb »

hluska wrote: post #37
gravypod wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would it be fair to say that since I am from America that I should get upset at anyone who wears a hijab for their own religious purposes? Covering women is very anti-American, specifically being prominent in the most recent generations. Yet, as civilized people, we can come to the understanding that even though I don't support something doesn't mean that I have to tell others how to live their lives or expect them t…

Oddly, almost this exact issue was a major issue in the recent Canadian federal election. The Conservative government attempted to ban niqabs during citizenship ceremonies. They went so far as to appeal lower court rulings that doing so was against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. They lost the election and the new Liberal government ended the attempt to ban the Niqab. Interestingly, as the Conservative government…

> Interestingly, as the Conservative government kept falling in the polls, they even said that they would consider banning Niqabs for public servants!! It sounds so bizarre that a sitting Canadian government would suggest such a thing, but the 2015 federal election was a first class, direct flight to bizarro world.

Imagine how it feels for those who find the idea of Canadian civil servants clad in hijabs to be bizarro world.

Re: “Me”: The one word journalists should add to Twitter searches

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Post by hluska »

cgh wrote: post #85
hluska wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oddly, almost this exact issue was a major issue in the recent Canadian federal election. The Conservative government attempted to ban niqabs during citizenship ceremonies. They went so far as to appeal lower court rulings that doing so was against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. They lost the election and the new Liberal government ended the attempt to ban the Niqab. Interestingly, as the Conservative government…

>> It sounds so bizarre that a sitting Canadian government would suggest such a thing I, and many others who didn't vote Conservative, still supported their efforts to enforce a ban on such a regressive mode of dress during citizenship ceremonies. I don't think it's bizarre at all to address these sorts of things at a federal level. Citizenship is important and people who refuse to show their faces don't deserve it.…

First, keep in mind that the sentence you quoted was related to a possible ban on public servants wearing the niqab.

I found it bizarre that the Conservative government would double down on the niqab issue by suggesting that they may ban public servants from wearing it. Doubling down on an issue that Justin Trudeau was gaining so many points on struck me as an admission that either they were running out of money, or they were competing against the NDP to be official opposition. It didn't make much strategic sense, especially considering former-PM Harper's 'old-stock' Canadian quote.

But, nothing about the last years of Conservative rule - from his fight against the public service, to his fight against science, to the Mike Duffy kerfuffle - made a lick of sense. It shouldn't have felt so bizarre that Harper would run a disjointed campaign, but he was otherwise an amazing campaigner.

As for the niqab during citizenship, I likely can't convince you because you'll mention that niqab's aren't even necessarily part of Islam. And, you'll mention that there is a possibility that their use is coerced.

All of those arguments are true and, for the record, I'm not a huge fan of the niqab, but I'm Catholic and I was born in Canada, so my views aren't particularly informed.

Rather, my only argument is that the Supreme Court gave some very stringent requirements for making a witness remove a niqab during trial.[1] The Supreme Court ruled that an outright ban on niqabs during testimony was wrong as, "rights should be limited only to the extent that the limits are shown to be justifiable."

I don't believe that we should have a lower standard during citizenship ceremonies. So ultimately, I think that we need strong justification to make it okay to violate someone's freedom to get dressed as they see fit.

I'm not convinced that we need to see someone's lips move as there are other ways we can determine whether they are actually reciting the vow. If the Supreme Court argues that a witness whose face is covered does not always violate an accused person's right to a fair trial, I don't think we can argue that a person whose face is covered violates the sanctity of citizenship. Those arguments aside, I can't think of any other strong arguments against the niqab in citizenship ceremonies.

[1] - https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/12779/inde...

Re: “Me”: The one word journalists should add to Twitter searches

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Post by hluska »

zeveb wrote: post #96
hluska wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oddly, almost this exact issue was a major issue in the recent Canadian federal election. The Conservative government attempted to ban niqabs during citizenship ceremonies. They went so far as to appeal lower court rulings that doing so was against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. They lost the election and the new Liberal government ended the attempt to ban the Niqab. Interestingly, as the Conservative government…

> Interestingly, as the Conservative government kept falling in the polls, they even said that they would consider banning Niqabs for public servants!! It sounds so bizarre that a sitting Canadian government would suggest such a thing, but the 2015 federal election was a first class, direct flight to bizarro world. Imagine how it feels for those who find the idea of Canadian civil servants clad in hijabs to be bizarr…

In Regina, Sask., Germantown (an area full of Eastern European immigrants) was the last area in town to get indoor plumbing. It was a highly controversial decision which eventually swung on the fear that Germantown's residents would side with Austria-Hungary during WW1.

'Bohunks' weren't treated particularly well in Canada at the time. Some Ukrainians were even put into internment camps during WW1!

Not even 80 years later, Roy Romanow (whose parents were Ukrainian immigrants) was sworn in as Premier of Saskatchewan. Some argue that he saved Saskatchewan from bankruptcy.

Perhaps the greatest joy of being Canadian is the knowledge that former outsiders have a sneaky habit of becoming among our greatest leaders! Therefore, I say wear hijabs. But when you lead, always fight to uphold the same freedom that gave you the chance to dress as you choose. :)

Re: “Me”: The one word journalists should add to Twitter searches

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Post by cwyers »

gue5t wrote: post #83
whybroke wrote: post #77

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I dunno... https://www.google.com/search?q=how+can+i+pirate+movies Seems to have no results about pirate movies.

The only result, of the 10 on that page (right now, for me), that answers the question is https://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-bittorrent-is-the-best-way-to-... But if you search "using * to pirate movies" (google will match the star, even in quotes, with a word or phrase in result context), every result will include the name of a method for pirating movies, which you can investigate further. I see "popcorn time", "bit torr…

I mean, but if you only need one link that answers the question, 1/10 is not any less useful than 10/10.

Re: “Me”: The one word journalists should add to Twitter searches

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Post by sdrothrock »

gue5t wrote: post #64
krazydad wrote: post #48

> "Imagine what your perfect source would tweet, or what you yourself would tweet in that situation, and search for the words that would probably be in it." This is a technique I used to use a lot more in the days before Google became the dominant search engine, when I was using Lycos, Alta Vista and Yahoo. In those more primitive search engines that were doing something closer to a full-text search, it was important…

This is still how web searching works. I have no idea why you would think otherwise--at its core Google is still fundamentally an indexing service, and you use indices by figuring out which words may be in the documents you want to read and then finding the documents containing those. Without doing this, it becomes impossible to distinguish documents which are what you want from documents which describe what you want…

> I have no idea why you would think otherwise

It might be due to better NLP, but it may also be due to the rise of blogging-style personal content where authors say things using that phrase. For example, "I was wondering how to start up my own Ubuntu server on AWS and thought I'd write a tutorial while I was at it." contains "how to start up . . . Ubuntu server on AWS"

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