Somebody got a zero on their empathy roll.
SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle, despair of homeless’
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Re: SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle, despair of homeless’
#92Homeless activists are the most annoying do-gooders of them all. Let's fight for the right of people, who are mostly struggling with mental illness and addiction to live in the street. That sure feels noble I guess. How about making appropriate institutional care available so these folks wouldn't have to sleep in the streets? In my town, there's an article in the paper today decrying the fact that a local institution…
Agency is a basic component of having a reasonable life.
Taking it away is literally dehumanizing. So if it is to be done, it should be done with great care.
(I'm addressing your 2,3,4th paragraphs, I think not heating the outdoors is fine)
Re: SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle, despair of homeless’
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
I visited SF a few times, and I was always horrified to see how such a wealthy city leaves its homeless people to wander around, sleep in the cold and generally live in inhuman conditions. I won't claim I know enough about the city from two visits to propose any solutions, but I know that the fact that there are hundreds or thousands of people living like that is inexcusable. I've never seen this before to such exten…
> sleep in the cold Are we talking about the same city here? I'd call SF "occasionally chilly" at best. That's part of why so many homeless people gravitate to CA; if you're sleeping outdoors there are many, many worse climates for it. > The coldest day of the year is December 26, with an average low of 44°F and high of 55°F. https://weatherspark.com/averages/31587/San-Francisco-Califo... Related: did you know that w…
...and why we have few/no homeless in my town: it stays around 16F for weeks at a time. And goes negative overnight.
Also, the Emergency Housing Project, an Ecumenical service my UU Church started 20 years ago.
Re: SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle, despair of homeless’
#94To play devil's advocate, he's right. He shouldn't have to see the pain, struggle, and despair of homeless - the city government should be providing affordable housing and shelters for the homeless. That it hasn't is a failure of the local government, and should be addressed. Much of the reason that affordable housing is out of reach of many in San Francisco is due to government regulation, not market capitalism. Ext…
>the city government should be providing affordable housing and shelters for the homeless. This helps the short term homeless. Long term homeless often have problems that can't be met just by giving them housing.
If you give them housing they may still have problems but at least they won't be homeless.
Re: SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle, despair of homeless’
#95To play devil's advocate, he's right. He shouldn't have to see the pain, struggle, and despair of homeless - the city government should be providing affordable housing and shelters for the homeless. That it hasn't is a failure of the local government, and should be addressed. Much of the reason that affordable housing is out of reach of many in San Francisco is due to government regulation, not market capitalism. Ext…
This is a complex issue... but in my experience, most of the homeless are not looking for help to find jobs and/or contribute to society in manner that will lead them out of "homelessness." A lot of them prefer this "lifestyle"... we try very hard to help the people that want help. Most don't. Go talk to your local EMS/Fire department personnel and most of them will have similar stories. I know the homeless people in…
>A lot of them prefer this "lifestyle"
I used to also think that many homeless "preferred the lifestyle of homelessness" but I recently learned of a town in Canada (Medicine Hat) that found it more cost effective to house the homeless. This myth that people prefer to be homeless was shattered and this town found that nearly all homeless were able to reintegrated back into having their own places. The mayor was skeptical at first now, he says, “It makes financial sense. That’s how I had my epiphany and was converted. You can actually save money by giving somebody some dignity and giving them a place to live.”
Medicine Hat on brink of ending homelessness
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/medicine-hat-on-brink-...
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/medicine-hat-has-al...
Re: SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle, despair of homeless’
#96Even though Justin seems like an asshole, I wish the Washington post and other news sources would try to objectively report the news instead of joining the bandwagon and making fun of the views of others. This type of subjective reporting doesn't lead to civilized discussion where you actually address the other sides views, not their delivery.
Re: SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle, despair of homeless’
#97>> "Move over Martin Shkreli. You now have competition for the title of America’s most reviled millennial." That seems unfair. Shkreli made the news for doing things that would have a tangible effect on peoples lives, and doing those things with a smile. Let's compare Shkreli raising the prices on life-saving drugs to the first paragraph of Keller's blog post: >> "I am writing today, to voice my concern and outrage o…
Also, what on earth are the limits for a millennial? My late-20s self, a 9th grader and a man in his 30s should not all be classified the same...
It does seems like anyone under 40 is now a millennial.
The most recent clear definition I have heard is anyone born between 1980 and 2000. So anyone ~16 and under is a new generation, currently called Gen. Z, but they may get another name soon.
It does seem like the media is absorbing Gen X into millennials now for some reason. I don't know why. Baby Boomers vs everyone else?
Re: SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle, despair of homeless’
#98Any data to back this up? Can't really go on anecdotal stories or EMS accounts (who only see emergency situations by design).
Yes, clearly this man doesn't know more about homeless people than the average person walking the streets of SF! Show me your published peer-reviewed statistics or GTFO. /s
Re: SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle, despair of homeless’
#99My bet is that lots of people think like this (with similar levels of selfishness and narcissism), but wouldn't dare say it in a public forum.
Also, can people just move out of SF? I don't care which group it is (tech, or the people who have been displaced directly or indirectly by tech), but it seems like at least one group needs to just move out.
Re: SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle, despair of homeless’
#100To play devil's advocate, he's right. He shouldn't have to see the pain, struggle, and despair of homeless - the city government should be providing affordable housing and shelters for the homeless. That it hasn't is a failure of the local government, and should be addressed. Much of the reason that affordable housing is out of reach of many in San Francisco is due to government regulation, not market capitalism. Ext…
So how many people are going to pay more taxes to raise the money for the government to do all these things? In the end, it still comes back to the people. It's not the government's fault.
San Francisco has a $156M annual budget to address homelessness. That's not a small amount of money. First let's make sure that it's being spend efficiently.