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Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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I really hope they pardon him eventually. I could be wrong, but don't most americans support what he did? EDIT: you are probably all correct, plenty of people don't understand/care who he is or what he stands for. I still wish the government would recognize that the NSA is acting unconstitutionally and he called them out on it.

YES!

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me I could really care less what the plane was used for in the past. A plane flying from anywhere that doesn't file a flight plan is just plain wrong, especially when it crosses foreign airspace.

Pilots are usually not required to file a flight plan for VFR (visual) flight. It's an extremely common occurrence. (Yes, things get a little more complicated when crossing boarders... but I just wanted to point out that it's not such a crazy thing to do.)

You are right

However I'm also 100% sure this is not a VFR flight.

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Snowden has been far more independently active since his asylum. He even maintains a twitter account. It's not like his entire life is filtered through the media.

I understand that (believe me; get RT'd by him sometime and see what happens to your mentions). But add up everything he's said publicly and you still don't have a complete picture of what he had, who he gave it to, and who got what. I'm not suggesting that anything nefarious happened. I do not think Snowden is an FSB operative. I think he grabbed a giant tranche of documents, few of which he actually read, and hande…

I know we're getting a bit off topic, but can you share what happens to your mentions when you get RTd by Snowden?

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Choosing Scotland over the more usual U.K. or British, is peculiar. It's like saying a Russian aircraft violated Alaskan airspace rather than US airspace. This choice is possibly indicative of other subsurface politics.

Scotland is the UK . Scotland's airspace is managed by the UK central government. This is like saying "flying over Maine, rather than over the more typical USA, is suggestive of subsurface politics".

It's still a country, albeit one in increasingly reluctant political union with England. It would be rare for a Scot to refer to something as happening in the UK rather than specifically Scotland.

The legal system is independent and different to England and Wales for instance.

The nearest US equivalent would I guess be Puerto Rico rather than Maine.

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Shouldn't that be "British" airspace? If the Scots don't like it, they should declare independence (but that failed) and maybe build an air defense network to shoot down unidentified possible CIA rendition jets (not very feasible).

The term doesn't mean what you think it means. Rather, if so, then you should also complain about all of the following:

"Mexican Helicopter Spotted in Texas Airspace" - http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mexican-helicopter-spotted-in-te...

"F-16 escorts Cessna away from Fla. airspace during Obama visit" - http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/16/nation/la-na-nn-flor...

"U.S. Jets Intercept Six Russian Planes That Approached The Alaskan Airspace" - http://www.inquisitr.com/1486667/u-s-jets-intercept-six-russ...

"Bill seeks to regulate drones in Maine airspace" - http://bangordailynews.com/2013/02/26/politics/bill-seeks-to...

In addition to US states, the construction "---- airspace" is also used in reference to:

lakes - "a good chunk of Lake Michigan airspace is restricted" - http://www.reallyrocketscience.com/node/18

cities - "traffic flow with radar lateral separation between aircraft heading South entering Habana airspace and those flying Northbound to Miami airspace" - http://www.icao.int/NACC/Documents/Meetings/2013/ANIWG01/ANI...

Disney theme parks - "Ad Banner Planes Still Kept Out of Disney Airspace" - http://www.newsmax.com/US/Disney-planes-advertising-banners/...

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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post #52
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me I could really care less what the plane was used for in the past. A plane flying from anywhere that doesn't file a flight plan is just plain wrong, especially when it crosses foreign airspace.

Pilots are usually not required to file a flight plan for VFR (visual) flight. It's an extremely common occurrence. (Yes, things get a little more complicated when crossing boarders... but I just wanted to point out that it's not such a crazy thing to do.)

Who are these boarders and how are they relevant?

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

#98
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scotland is the UK . Scotland's airspace is managed by the UK central government. This is like saying "flying over Maine, rather than over the more typical USA, is suggestive of subsurface politics".

It's still a country, albeit one in increasingly reluctant political union with England. It would be rare for a Scot to refer to something as happening in the UK rather than specifically Scotland. The legal system is independent and different to England and Wales for instance. The nearest US equivalent would I guess be Puerto Rico rather than Maine.

I don't want to go far into the rabbit hole here but are they represented in the UN or any other kind of international bodies constituted of member states?

I understand how they feel about themselves, or more specifically how roughly half of them feel, however, it's not how the world sees them, generally speaking. Chinese understand "the UK" Scotland, as an international political entity will get you sideways looks.

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand that (believe me; get RT'd by him sometime and see what happens to your mentions). But add up everything he's said publicly and you still don't have a complete picture of what he had, who he gave it to, and who got what. I'm not suggesting that anything nefarious happened. I do not think Snowden is an FSB operative. I think he grabbed a giant tranche of documents, few of which he actually read, and hande…

I know we're getting a bit off topic, but can you share what happens to your mentions when you get RTd by Snowden?

ZILLIONS of randos. That guy has some engaged followers.

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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post #85

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Most "tech savvy" people support him and how he made us aware of the NSA bs, but a lot of normal people who just watch the news view him as a "traitor" to 'Murica (America). Sadly, people think "I have nothing to hide, so I don't care if the government/NSA monitors my internet usage/history/etc". Personally, I think the terrorists have won in a small sense. TSA is a joke (American airport security), NSA monitors ever…

I don't think it's particularly charitable to caricature people who don't support Snowden as being jingoist "'muricans". In fact, the term "'murica" is pretty classist; even the word itself mocks the accents of flyover country. There is a serious, defensible, coherent argument against what Snowden did. You don't have to be a low-information cable news consumer to agree with it, nor do you have to believe that "if you…

"but I think it would be better if what happened in 2013 never happened in exactly that way again.)"

I think it would be better if what happened in 2013 had never -had- to happen in any way.

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