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Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by hga »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #89
hga wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe by virtue of being on drugs, but it's a real thing, try for example: https://www.google.com/search?q=ar+15+used+in+self+defense or substitute home for self.

With the exception of the LA riots, every result I'm finding talks about home defense.

It's an inherently difficult thing to search for. "AR-15" is a registered trademark of Colt, but it's been a while since they made the majority of civilian AR-15 pattern rifles (for that matter they lost the M16 contract to FN years ago, and now aren't the exclusive M4 carbine manufacturer).

You might have better luck substituting "assault rifle" or maybe "assault weapon".

I can remember reading at least one, I think two cases with AR-15 pattern rifles being used outside the home, a few more if you extend this to general civilian versions of assault rifles, like in the LA riots.

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by eaandkw »

hga wrote: post #88
eaandkw wrote: post #87

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A handgun is surprisingly difficult to shoot accurately past 7 meters in a life or death situation. Look at all of the stories of police shooting up to one hundred rounds at a suspect and still missing them.

Police aren't a good example for talking about civilian handgun marksmanship: They are under an obligation to use their guns in many situations a civilian wouldn't, or could trivially avoid (either by not being in that sort of place, or safely retreating). Few get much training or practice, and this is particular true for ant-gun Blue cities, with NYC being the extreme case of having extinguished its gun culture and…

I agree with you about the example of police. I was just pointing out that under stress it is difficult to shoot accurately. I won't talk trash about the police because I don't know enough police to talk it. However, in the military I have seen how hard it is to move, shoot, and hit your target. And we get tons of training.

I can't really tell from your reply if your are arguing for pistols or rifles being better. I think it comes down to using whatever you are good at. If you train with a rifle then use a rifle if you use a pistol use a pistol. I actually think retaining a rifle is easier then a pistol. Maybe because I train that way. For the pistol I mostly just keep the pistol away from the bad guy. If the bad guy can get his hands on the pistol he would have more leverage then if he got his hands on my rifle.

Back to the original argument. For the militia type individuals that like to play like they are in the military. It is all fun and games until you get shot at.

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

#93

Post by hatsunearu »

mapt wrote: post #72
runjake wrote: post #53

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> the AR-15 is impractical gun for both home defense (Too long to for hallways. Too powerful for drywall.) 1. Actually, the .223/5.56mm round has less penetration in residential[1] that most handgun rounds due to its tumbling characteristics. 2. I'd say the AR-15 is impractical for home defense due to its stigma of being an evil black rifle, and that it seems like "overkill" to uneducated people. That's a shame, due…

My impression from what I'd read is that nearly anything that's got enough impact energy to penetrate clothing, soft flesh (denim & ballistic gel) and the hard bits of thorax, is going to get through perpendicular drywall very easily. Here's the lightest round in common use, 22LR, holing 8 layers of drywall sequentially. This is 1/12th as much muzzle energy as .223: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ME3IEYoQXc Here's…

>Here's the lightest round in common use, 22LR, holing 8 layers of drywall sequentially. This is 1/12th as much muzzle energy as .223:

22LR doesn't tumble.

>Here's pricy specialty frangible rounds designed not to go through walls... still going through walls in a test:

Frangible rounds are usually used so it doesn't ricochet and hurt someone. It just becomes dust when it hits something hard that would normally bounce a bullet.

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by hatsunearu »

Aloha wrote: post #36
twothamendment wrote: post #29

Interesting read, but it almost paints anyone who owns a Baofeng as a terrorist. It does do a great job of showing how lame it is to think that those radios will help in a standoff like that. If the government was going to go in, you can bet the first thing they'd do is jam those cheap radios. For anyone interested in ham radio, there isn't a better place to start. Without these cheap, not-as-good-as-something-that-c…

In my opinion the Baofeng isn't a very good radio (poor build quality, poor performing RF deck, bad documentation and software support), and there are better inexpensive options out there - most surplus commercial radio gear is around the same price with a better build quality - and for those with some money to spend, you can pick up surplus XTS3000 with DES-XL (or DES-OFB) for under 250 bucks ea, add another 3-800 f…

>In my opinion the Baofeng isn't a very good radio

oh yes, it's quite terrible. I helped my friend pick up a mobile radio from HRO and made him hit our repeater, but I couldn't pick up the transmission from the repeater for some reason. as you know, the TX frequency of the repeater is 0.6MHz away from the RX frequency. It turns out my crappy baofeng was being overloaded by the 5W transmit power my friend was blasting.

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by hatsunearu »

Aloha wrote: post #79
rtkwe wrote: post #11

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FCC violations are generally fines instead of prison time. It'd be somewhat effective but not nearly as powerful as the tax evasion charges.

People have been jailed for violating the ham radio rules.

Any sources? The crazy 14.313 guys just got fined a buttload but not jailed, IIRC.

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by hatsunearu »

tzs wrote: post #2

> MURS is the longest range VHF radio service that can be legally utilized by anyone without the need for a radio license. The operator does not need a license, but I believe that the radio must be certified for MURS operation. The Baofeng UV-5R is not [1]. It is certified under Part 90. MURS requires certification under Part 95. [1] http://www.gordonwestradioschool.com/attachments/FCC_Part_90...

One more thing that the average hacker should know about radio regulation:

You can homebrew a radio yourself and it doesn't need FCC approval if you're a ham operating on ham bands with all the appropriate standards.

You are however not allowed to sell radios at a commercial scale unless it's FCC approved, even if it's for hams. But I think (IANAL) you're allowed to sell homebrew gear in like garage sale-type deals.

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by hga »

hatsunearu wrote: post #95
Aloha wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have been jailed for violating the ham radio rules.

Any sources? The crazy 14.313 guys just got fined a buttload but not jailed, IIRC.

And that was after a warning (14.313 is a wonderful search term): http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-fines-pennsylvania-ham-11-500-f...

Searching on the term linear amplifier, this was the only example of jail time I was able to find, and that after many previous enforcement actions including revoking his license 20 years earlier: http://www.eham.net/articles/1744

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by sithadmin »

kaoD wrote: post #78
sithadmin wrote: post #24

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>Assault weapon is colloquially defined as a firearm with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip. Rifle. Not firearm. Otherwise every pistol that isn't a muzzle/breech loader or revolver is an 'assault weapon', which is makes the distinction even more functionally useless.

A rifle is a firearm.

So is a Glock pistol, which obviously isn't supposed to fall into the 'assault weapons' category that has been constructed.

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by hga »

sithadmin wrote: post #98
kaoD wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A rifle is a firearm.

So is a Glock pistol, which obviously isn't supposed to fall into the 'assault weapons' category that has been constructed.

But since the construction is entirely political, they actually have fallen in the category, since the majority of them have a standard magazine capacity > 10 rounds, or simply detachable magazines.

Maybe not legally in any part of the US unless Glock sells models with threaded barrels (vs. their factory aftermarket ones), but I don't doubt rhetorically.

Re: Militia Radio Frequencies

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Post by hackuser »

tedks wrote: post #70
hackuser wrote: post #65

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> the world is changing rapidly, and there are no guarantees what the future will bring. I guess that's been true for centuries, but I don't see what it has to do with militias. Like everyone with a bad idea, they want to say 'this time it's different'. > There is no law of the universe that precludes smart people from believing in ideologies or causes that you personally dismiss. Perhaps not a law of the universe, b…

>I guess that's been true for centuries, but I don't see what it has to do with militias. Like everyone with a bad idea, they want to say 'this time it's different'. Well, automation is going to start taking away knowledge worker jobs soon, so many intelligent people might find themselves in rather dire circumstances. It's certainly unfair to compare rightism to flat-earthism. If you can't admit that there are people…

> It's certainly unfair to compare rightism to flat-earthism

I didn't; I was talking about fringe movements planning for the collapse of civilization. They certainly do not represent the right wing.

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