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Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

#91

Post by tluyben2 »

legulere wrote: post #86
frik wrote: post #2

Will Lenovo ever produce a high quality notebook again? All I want is a real "ThinkPad". Give me a proper T460 with 32GB RAM, IPS display, a recent Intel i7 CPU, replaceable batteries and the notebook body of the T410 or better the T60 or IBM ThinkPad T41.

I don't know why people still insist on a hot-swappable battery today. They used to make sense when they lasted 3 hours and broke down after maybe one year of use. As long as it's not glued in or tugged away behind dozens of other components you can still easily change it with a screwdriver.

Because 9 hrs is not long enough and less is a joke.

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

#92

Post by kozukumi »

frou_dh wrote: post #83
frik wrote: post #2

Will Lenovo ever produce a high quality notebook again? All I want is a real "ThinkPad". Give me a proper T460 with 32GB RAM, IPS display, a recent Intel i7 CPU, replaceable batteries and the notebook body of the T410 or better the T60 or IBM ThinkPad T41.

Boy, I wish my ThinkPad X200s came with an IPS panel. I got the 'high res' screen option (1440x900@12") and the viewing angle is woeful. Using it even in a perfectly optimal position, washout/shift is still noticeable at either the top or bottom of the screen. In my book, including a garbage-spec panel disqualifies a computer from being a quality product no matter what range it is otherwise part of. Sadly this is (wa…

T420s user here, the TN panels Lenovo used a few years ago are shockingly bad.

I am still looking forward to getting a fanless ThinkPad. A laptop with zero moving parts is my dream. I tried an Asus UX305FA last year but the Core-M is a little lacking still, I am hoping in a generation or two we will be there :)

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

#93

Post by ctvo »

ekianjo wrote: post #59
bitwize wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing will come of it. The ThinkPad's target audience was business users and geeks. Both of whom favor MacBooks in this day and age.

> Both of whom favor MacBooks in this day and age. So you probably live in California or something. The rest of the world keeps using Lenovo Thinkpads just fine. Just look at their sales figures, they are not losing ground by droves or something. Macs are no replacement for Thinkpads in any way.

What are you getting from a Thinkpad that you wouldn't get from a Macbook Pro? It's not price. If you spec out a similar one, in a lot of cases, the MBP beats it in price. The things that matter -- performance, battery life, display, weight all favor the MBP.

I've tried finding a Windows laptop that comes close for personal use. I ended up getting a MBP and putting Windows on it like a lot of developers.

Thinkpad T550 Ultrabook $2,399.00

Intel Core i7-5600U Processor (4MB Cache, up to 3.20GHz) Windows 10 Home 64 15.5" 3K (2880x1620), IPS, with WWAN Intel HD Graphics 5500 16GB PC3-12800 DDR3L (2 DIMM) 512 GB Solid State Drive, Serial ATA3 Intel 7265 AC/B/G/N Dual Band Wireless + Bluetooth Version 4.0 Up to 14.8 hours of battery life with 3 cell + 3 cell batteries Starting at 4 lbs

Macbook Pro 15 $2,499.00

15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display 2.5GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.7GHz 16GB 1600MHz DDR3L SDRAM 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage Intel Iris Pro Graphics + AMD Radeon R9 M370X with 2GB GDDR5 memory Force Touch trackpad

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

#94

Post by batrat »

bitwize wrote: post #45
Infinitesimus wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The s6's expected longevity (~2yrs per the contract model) is much smaller than the expected longevity of say, the average college students who buys this laptop for use in college. For the record, my Note 4 isn't showing any burn in after > 1yr of use, but who knows what it will be like 4 years down the line. A small number of users report burn-in on the newer s6/6p so I hope QC on the new Yogas will be tighter at th…

My Note 3 showed visible burn-in after about a year. That's why I don't trust amoled.

I have mine for 2+ years, no burn-in. I guess it's about how is everyone is using and the panel used.

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

#95

Post by FireBeyond »

bitwize wrote: post #52
totalrobe wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you see the retro concept they were throwing around? Very curious to see if anything will come of this. http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-time-machine

Nothing will come of it. The ThinkPad's target audience was business users and geeks. Both of whom favor MacBooks in this day and age.

Sounds like shades of this comment:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6322397

"The original iPhone was a conversation starter, just like the iPad when it came out. You can pull out a Thinkpad from 10 years ago in a full Starbucks if you like, but most people wouldn't enjoy doing it - and even apologize for it, if they got curious stares."

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

#96

Post by totalrobe »

ctvo wrote: post #93
ekianjo wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Both of whom favor MacBooks in this day and age. So you probably live in California or something. The rest of the world keeps using Lenovo Thinkpads just fine. Just look at their sales figures, they are not losing ground by droves or something. Macs are no replacement for Thinkpads in any way.

What are you getting from a Thinkpad that you wouldn't get from a Macbook Pro? It's not price. If you spec out a similar one, in a lot of cases, the MBP beats it in price. The things that matter -- performance, battery life, display, weight all favor the MBP. I've tried finding a Windows laptop that comes close for personal use. I ended up getting a MBP and putting Windows on it like a lot of developers. Thinkpad T55…

Well I'd never personally buy a brand new Thinkpad. Against a new mac or dell it's not a super great deal.

But if you like to tinker, Thinkpad is really your only option. It has widely available and inexpensive user replaceable components(screen, chassis, RAM, SSD, keyboard, mousepad, etc). Lightly used thinkpads are available for a few hundred bucks on ebay. I picked up a year old T440s with I7, 12gb ram, and 256gb SSD for $400 last year.

Also hot swappable battery, wide linux compatibility, spill proof keyboard, awesome industrial design.

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

#97

Post by tadfisher »

userbinator wrote: post #11
frik wrote: post #2

Will Lenovo ever produce a high quality notebook again? All I want is a real "ThinkPad". Give me a proper T460 with 32GB RAM, IPS display, a recent Intel i7 CPU, replaceable batteries and the notebook body of the T410 or better the T60 or IBM ThinkPad T41.

Other features they definitely need to add back before I'll consider buying another ThinkPad: - Non-chiclet keyboard with decent layout - HDD and network activity indicator lights - Hardware wireless-off switch - Latching lid They certainly don't need to make it any thinner -- I've had to carry some Macbooks around and the sharp edges are not very hand-friendly. I think 1" throughout is about right for a laptop thick…

> Latching lid

This has been historically the first piece to break on my classic Thinkpads (I have quite the collection of IBM FRU parts as a result).

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

#98

Post by crudbug »

May be this is a wrong place for this, but I have to say this.

I consider Thinkpad as Macbook Pros of PC world. Lenovo hasn't learnt any lesson, they are diluting the "THINK" brand. Having quality products in standard series like - T, W, & X will make better brand recognition. The prime example are this new Yoga and Thinkpad 13 models ?? The marketing team should take lessons. IHMO the Thinkpad line should have 3 series :

1. T Series (Regular) - T360 (13") / T460 (14") / T560 (15").

2. W Series (Workstation) - W560 (15") / W760 (17")

3. X Series (Ultrabook) - X260 (12") / X360 (13")

No Carbon, Yoga, TxxxP mumbo jumbo - just standard nomenclature.

Anybody for Thinkpad C series for cellphones ? - C41 (4") / C51 (5")

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

#99

Post by Daishiman »

ctvo wrote: post #93
ekianjo wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Both of whom favor MacBooks in this day and age. So you probably live in California or something. The rest of the world keeps using Lenovo Thinkpads just fine. Just look at their sales figures, they are not losing ground by droves or something. Macs are no replacement for Thinkpads in any way.

What are you getting from a Thinkpad that you wouldn't get from a Macbook Pro? It's not price. If you spec out a similar one, in a lot of cases, the MBP beats it in price. The things that matter -- performance, battery life, display, weight all favor the MBP. I've tried finding a Windows laptop that comes close for personal use. I ended up getting a MBP and putting Windows on it like a lot of developers. Thinkpad T55…

* Heat management: Thinkpads just don't heat up in harmful ways. I have seen way too many Macbooks that can't be handled when they heat up or the continued stress degrades some component * Keyboard with a Delete key * You can install Linux on a Thinkpad trivially and have it ready for use. The MBP just isn't there * The chassis stands up to a lot more abuse, not just aesthetically (because the MBP frames scratch up just by looking at them the wrong way) but in terms of actually resisting falls. * With the newer models you can replace the external battery while running, and if you get the larger batteries you can run your machine for a full 24 hours.

Re: Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display

#100

Post by Daishiman »

legulere wrote: post #86
frik wrote: post #2

Will Lenovo ever produce a high quality notebook again? All I want is a real "ThinkPad". Give me a proper T460 with 32GB RAM, IPS display, a recent Intel i7 CPU, replaceable batteries and the notebook body of the T410 or better the T60 or IBM ThinkPad T41.

I don't know why people still insist on a hot-swappable battery today. They used to make sense when they lasted 3 hours and broke down after maybe one year of use. As long as it's not glued in or tugged away behind dozens of other components you can still easily change it with a screwdriver.

Because the larger Thinkpad replaceable battery lasts for 21 hours.
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