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What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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How comforting.

If it was written somewhere that people's stated political ideologies are required to be comforting to others, I could have sued Alan Greenspan and Paul Ryan for millions.

I think what he finds discomforting is that solutions which avoid killing some group of people (in this case, the "bourgeois") is somehow "settling".

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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As if the public needs a smoking gun when the Clinton is surrounded by scandals from A to Z. It amazes me that Sanders isn't going guns-a-blazing with all the Scandals and Corruption that emanates from the Clinton name brand. Why look for the needle in a haystack when you have a stack of needles sitting next to the haystack?

All the accusations of Scandals and Corruption that emanate from the Republican echo chamber. There, ftfy.

That's it... keep your head stuck in the sand. That'll make all the "accusations" untrue. Those wasky wepublicans. They made 40 years of lies and scandals ALL up. Every. Single. One.

I mean... being a Democrat is more important that the truth. Or more important than being an American...

Seriously though... At least BS seems to have the credibility that 'Liar'y doesn't. There is a reason Hillary is losing in credibility and trust-ability.

Blaming Republicans is like blaming Obama's falling numbers on racism: Proof that you can't stay focused on the facts and instead have to focus on the big bad boogey man.

I couldn't in good conscience ever vote for a Democrat, but I'd vote BS before 'liar'y any day of the week.

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Interesting article, though it left out some context. The Sanders campaign tried to report this issue months ago [1]. Nathaniel Pearlman, the founder of NGP, now NGP VAN, was CTO of Hillary's 2008 run for president [2]. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the Chair of the DNC, was campaign co-chair of Hillary's 2008 run for president [3]. Robert Reich, former Secretary of Labor under Clinton, has criticized the DNC for being b…

This is incorrect. The October issue was not part of NGP VAN - it was with another DNC vendor that works for both campaigns, though I haven't seen anyone publish which one.

The data director (who was fired) corrected his statement on MSNBC saying “it wasn’t actually within the VAN VoteBuilder system, it was another system" [1]

I would also say that all the conspiracy theories about connections between Clinton and NGP VAN are insane. You can take any other tech company in this space and find just as many connections to the Clintons. If you've been involved in democratic politics at any point in the last two decades, chances are you can be linked back to Bill or Hillary.

That being said, I'm by no means defending the DNC's actions or saying that I think they have or have not been fair to Sanders... All I'm saying is scrounging for links between companies and Clinton is a waste of time.

[1] http://www.msnbc.com/thomas-roberts/watch/fired-sanders-camp...

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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It wasn't the same issue and it wasn't even an issue with the same vendor (NGP VAN).

Could you send a source? I'm seeing this [1]: > Michael Briggs, a Sanders campaign spokesman, told ABC News that the “vendor who runs the DNC's voter file program continues to make serious errors” and that the “the firewall between the data of different Democratic campaigns” has failed “on more than one occasion.” [1] http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/26373...

The spokesman was incorrect, the October incident was not from NGP VAN. From their press release:

"Josh Uretsky, the former National Data Director for the Sanders campaign confirmed on MSNBC (at 5:47), and also on CNN, regarding the previous incident: 'it wasn’t actually within the VAN VoteBuilder system, it was another system.'" [1][2]

[1] http://blog.ngpvan.com/data-security-and-privacy [2] http://www.msnbc.com/thomas-roberts/watch/fired-sanders-camp...

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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It wasn't the same issue and it wasn't even an issue with the same vendor (NGP VAN).

I'm pretty sure that's wrong. I'm looking for a hard source, but haven't yet found it. http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-data-breach-co... "On Reddit, an r/technology thread about the controversy included comment from a self-identified 2008 Obama campaign staffer who claimed such breaches were both common but of limited strategic value: "As an '08 Obama staffer who used the VAN extensively, it went down l…

Reposting my response from below, but the October incident was not with NGP VAN and was actually another vendor - not sure who though but I'd be interested in hearing theories.

From their press release:

"Josh Uretsky, the former National Data Director for the Sanders campaign confirmed on MSNBC (at 5:47), and also on CNN, regarding the previous incident: 'it wasn’t actually within the VAN VoteBuilder system, it was another system.'" [1][2]

[1] http://blog.ngpvan.com/data-security-and-privacy [2] http://www.msnbc.com/thomas-roberts/watch/fired-sanders-camp...

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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And moreover, people who support capitalism don't get an automatic right to label socialists as "murderous" or "genocidal" simply because our revolutions kill people up front . Sure, blame us for the Holodomor and the "Great Leap Forward" (and other similar artificial famines, disease outbreaks, etc caused by bad state-socialist policy), but don't act like your hands are clean when you support a system that kills, la…

> And moreover, people who support capitalism don't get an automatic right to label socialists as "murderous" or "genocidal" simply because our revolutions kill people up front. Um... that is exactly why we call them murderous. Because they killed people. A lot of them. In cold blood.

As many as capitalism does?

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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If it was written somewhere that people's stated political ideologies are required to be comforting to others, I could have sued Alan Greenspan and Paul Ryan for millions.

I think what he finds discomforting is that solutions which avoid killing some group of people (in this case, the "bourgeois") is somehow "settling".

Ah, well that's just bad phrasing. It's not "settling" because we'd prefer to kill more people, it's "settling" because we want to avoid counter-revolutions later.

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Lol, one of fields in the VAN database is "Zodiac Sign". Americans are weird.

They're probably trying to track teens who are involved politically. They want to know when they turn 18. Asking for a Zodiac Sign is less creepy than asking for a birthday.

From looking at the image in the OP, they aren't asking 'what's your sign'. It seems a sorting feature. They have the birthdates (not hard to get really) but the software thinks someone might want to sort that list by sign.

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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A great writeup but reading things over the only thing this shows me is Bernie's people are a lot more dedicated. if Clinton's staffers had the same level/type of access as Bernie's staffers to VAN why wouldn't they be doing the same thing? I find it hard to believe that her staffers wouldn't have noticed the data coming up as well, ran a few queries to realize what was going on, and suddenly realized what was going…

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