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Re: PHP 7 Released

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Post by superskierpat »

trm42 wrote: post #7

PHP 7 makes life a lot better for PHP devs in many ways but one awesome thing is it obsoletes bunch of out-of-date tutorials by finally removing the old Mysql extension \o/ http://php.net/manual/en/migration70.removed-exts-sapis.php I actually met a young aspiring web developer who still learned DB-access with mysql_* functions. I urged him to switch to a sane framework like Laravel. Oh boy he was happy in a month an…

My final project in my php class last year was way better than it would of been due to one simple website : http://www.phptherightway.com/

Edit: Posted this before seeing the other comments suggesting it already, dope

Re: PHP 7 Released

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trm42 wrote: post #7

PHP 7 makes life a lot better for PHP devs in many ways but one awesome thing is it obsoletes bunch of out-of-date tutorials by finally removing the old Mysql extension \o/ http://php.net/manual/en/migration70.removed-exts-sapis.php I actually met a young aspiring web developer who still learned DB-access with mysql_* functions. I urged him to switch to a sane framework like Laravel. Oh boy he was happy in a month an…

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Re: PHP 7 Released

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Post by lsaferite »

I was so excited when I saw this post. Then I realized it's another 'too early' post claiming the tag == release. It's not released until it happens on the PHP site. This is just a tag in the repo. Sure, it likely won't change now, but it could.

Re: PHP 7 Released

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Post by taspeotis »

scotty79 wrote: post #55
rjbwork wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just type JsonConvert and hit Alt-Enter. #JustReSharperThings

https://www.jetbrains.com/resharper/buy/ But thanks. I was looking for thing that would import me proper namespace and reference proper dependancy. Doesn't help you that much though when Microsoft releases new version of its web stack, naming different things with same class names as before just putting them in different namespace. I still need to guess which of the namespaces I actually need when I'm trying to get r…

The basic functionality (given type X import namespace Y) is built into Visual Studio since who-knows-when [1].

In my opinion if you are doing a lot of commercial .NET development then ReSharper isn't an optional extra. Rather, it's money well spent. You get more complete functionality: ReSharper 8 added the smarts to look for NuGet packages in your solution and reference the correct NuGet package. (This is ALT+ENTER and it basically gets the right type and dependency first time around.)

ReSharper 9 goes further and allows you to find types in any package on NuGet - JetBrains maintains their own index of NuGet packages for this purpose [2].

[1] http://stackoverflow.com/a/186920/242520

[2] https://www.jetbrains.com/resharper/whatsnew/whatsnew_9.html...

Re: PHP 7 Released

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Post by onli »

cdnsteve wrote: post #93

Stuff like this hurts: https://www.drupal.org/node/2454439

It really does. I work partly on a 10 year old PHP software. PHP 7 has apart from some other breakages some changes in the evaluation order that I expect to break everything. Thankfully related to objects, so with a bit of luck it will mostly hit the bundled libs (the project of course does not use objects for its own structure) which can then be exchanged or maybe will get updates.

Lots of work.

Re: PHP 7 Released

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Post by rplnt »

jacquesm wrote: post #84
rplnt wrote: post #69

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I like the IKEA parallel as IKEA is cheap. So was php (to host), hence the popularity I guess. And as a result of that, there are lots of developers.. and many equals cheap. And the vicious circle continues. Doesn't make it a good language :) (To be honest, I like IKEA, and I don't think it suck)

> To be honest, I like IKEA, and I don't think it suck Ikea sucks. Quite a bit of the furniture is just painted cardboard, the quality is absolutely horrible. It looks ok but 'under the hood' it is terrible. It is throwaway furniture, the very opposite of sustainable.

Cardboard furniture is great for moving. And for some pieces of furniture is perfectly OK (if you can stand the massive look).

They do "regular" furniture as well, not sure about its quality though.

Re: PHP 7 Released

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Post by taytus »

oblio wrote: post #25
RohithMeethal wrote: post #9

I wish every PHP developer would reread the docs and start using new features available instead of just continuing with what they know already just because it works. And of course if there was any way to remove all those old tutorials out there.

PHP is very likely to be the language used by Mort: http://blog.codinghorror.com/mort-elvis-einstein-and-you/ I doubt any of those developers are ever going to switch what they're already using unless they are forced by some external factor. The more serious factor is: if you're on Hackernews, you're at least Elvis or even Einstein. Mort is out of reach for most internet media for programmers.

Elitist much?

Re: PHP 7 Released

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Post by jacquesm »

rplnt wrote: post #97
jacquesm wrote: post #84

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> To be honest, I like IKEA, and I don't think it suck Ikea sucks. Quite a bit of the furniture is just painted cardboard, the quality is absolutely horrible. It looks ok but 'under the hood' it is terrible. It is throwaway furniture, the very opposite of sustainable.

Cardboard furniture is great for moving. And for some pieces of furniture is perfectly OK (if you can stand the massive look). They do "regular" furniture as well, not sure about its quality though.

> Cardboard furniture is great for moving.

It isn't because moving implies taking stuff apart and putting it back together again. As you'll find after your move screws won't catch any more, some of your furniture will have been compressed (holes in table surfaces? WTF?, yes this actually happened to me less than 3 months ago). Surface finish is 1/10th of a mm so it'll scratch super easy.

That's their 'regular' furniture, I'm not sure if they have anything better either. Ikea put a whole raft of companies out of business with cheap and good stuff, once they achieved market dominance they dropped the quality they are selling to something horrific.

Re: PHP 7 Released

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Post by mgkimsal »

acdha wrote: post #67
mei0Iesh wrote: post #56

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This is an arrogant and immature type of thing to write. This is programming, not high school cool-kids club. PHP is a wonderful tool that was mostly responsible for the dynamic web. Before it became popular, the web was mostly static HTML with an occasional CGI form, probably written in something like Perl, mostly just for emailing the webmaster. Maybe some small amount of JavaScript for something like rollover effe…

I agree with rejecting the elitist framing but … the web was decidedly not mostly static before PHP came along. Perl had many frameworks (e.g. PHP started as one), as did conventional languages like Java, Python, with deep server integration possible using things like mod_perl. There were also a bunch of web-specific dynamic platforms like Cold Fusion and classic ASP / me-too JSP. Finally, there was server-side JavaS…

PHP was easily one of the first to get some mainstream traction. I was using it in February '96, perhaps earlier. Classic ASP from MS was released in Dec 96, and didn't start making inroads (from my vantage point) until mid '97. I was stuck in '97 doing some odd front page weirdness (htc files? can't recall now) which were extremely limiting. At night, I'd go home and do PHP, and had an ecommerce system (horrible as it was) running on PHP/FI (php v2, essentially) in 1998.

By '97/'98 there were multiple vendors vying in this space - htmlos and ihtml are two names that stick with me, but there are some others I remember but can't recall names. And ColdFusion and whatnot, but... Perl and PHP were the big freebies, even by '97. ASP had speed on its side, but PHP already had convenience and price by '97, and it's gained ever since then. re: Java as server-side web platform - was outside my radar much, but the majority of people I worked with, even Java enthusiasts, didn't give it much credence before '99 - I don't think the infrastructure support was quite settled, and it was too 'wild west' for my colleagues (bunch of other reasons too). (IIRC, CF didn't support user-defined functions for several years, leading to much more difficult to maintain code than it should have been, but... memory gets hazy after 18 years).

But... PHP and Perl were free and largely "good enough" for enough of the problems most people were facing which is why they gained as much foothold as they did. ASP and CF both required a fairly hefty outlay and setup that you generally wouldn't be able to pay for without working in a corporate gig.

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