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Re: I was falsely arrested

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Post by dragonwriter »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #90
dragonwriter wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The general prison population is subject to less post-conviction scrutiny. However, it's subject to more pre-conviction scrutiny No, its subject to less pre-conviction scrutiny than those charged with murders; at least, from the public defenders I've talked to, PDs assigned to homicides tend to be: (1) the more experienced, skilled attorneys in the PDs office, and (2) have the lowest caseloads, and thus the most ti…

You know, I included a specific example in my earlier comment of what I was talking about. The general prison population is subject to more pre-conviction scrutiny before it ever gets into court . People aren't charged with crimes by drawing straws from a hat -- but capital crimes are closer to that model than petty crimes are. Your response doesn't address anything in my comment, unless you think people are assigned…

> The general prison population is subject to more pre-conviction scrutiny before it ever gets into court. People aren't charged with crimes by drawing straws from a hat -- but capital crimes are closer to that model than petty crimes are.

You've asserted, without evidence, some speculation about a motive that could result in that, but neither established that that motive and no counterbalancing force actual exist, nor established that the effect you attribute to that speculated difference exists. In any case, even if that difference in pre-charge scrutiny existed as you describe it, it wouldn't necessarily tip the overall balance of pre-conviction scrutiny in the same direction, since there are important things that happen in criminal prosecutions between charging and sentencing.

> Your response doesn't address anything in my comment

Except, you know, its argument about the overall balance of pre-conviction scrutiny.

> unless you think people are assigned public defenders before being charged with a crime.

I think that they are assigned public defenders between being charged and being convicted, which makes the quality of representation potentially quite important to the balance of pre-conviction sentencing.

Re: I was falsely arrested

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Post by bryanlarsen »

beat wrote: post #55
ncallaway wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I absolutely agree with the reforms that you've proposed. I think these are another important reform that can bend the curve on prosecutorial misconduct. Prosecutorial misconduct and irresponsibility is a big reason why we have obscene rates of incarceration. I totally agree that we should radically reduce the rates of incarceration, but how do you do that? Do you tell prosecutors to incarcerate fewer people? Do you…

Certainly, this particular case is prosecutorial misconduct. There was probably probable cause for the initial arrest, but not to keep it going. Sometimes I wonder how much of this is prosecutors not wanting to admit they were wrong and they did an awful thing to an innocent person?

This one has a simple answer: reduce or eliminate Prosecutorial Immunity

https://www.google.ca/search?q=prosecutorial+immunity

Re: I was falsely arrested

#93

Post by joesmo »

justathrow2k wrote: post #14
x0x0 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

95% of white people maybe black people have no alternative to understanding how the world really works

This is an incredibly racist way to look at the issue.

Fixed: most black people have no alternative to understanding how the world really works

Now it's not "racist". Can we move on?

EDIT: Clarified that it never was racist.

Re: I was falsely arrested

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Post by spacemanmatt »

throw_this_away wrote: post #89
golergka wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If that shot of the person's face is from a video of the incident that person is not him. Yes, but as far as we know, it's just a picture on the internet.

You should really examine why you automatically assume the author's account of his own lived experience is false.

Ignorance is an active denial of the truth, not a passive state of uninformation. Hope that helps.

Re: I was falsely arrested

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Post by rendall »

coldtea wrote: post #72
justathrow2k wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would agree, that's not racism. However, I would say that a blanket statement about all members of a race such as this, 'black people have no alternative to understanding how the world really works.', is.

We all know that blanket statements are just a convenient way to speak for what a group does or tends to do "in general". The fact there are outliers doesn't mean a blanket statement is "racist" as long as it's accurate for the most. It's doubly not racist if it's positive (and "understanding how the world really works" is a positive thing).

'We all know that blanket statements are just a convenient way to speak for what a group does or tends to do "in general".'

Given that blanket statements such as that, which are meant to imply "in general", are indistinguishable from actually bigoted blanket statements which are meant to be taken literally, it probably is a good discipline to always include "generally" or "typically" as a qualifier, each and every time. It has fallen out of fashion, but let's try to bring it back.

Re: I was falsely arrested

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Post by thatcat »

nickff wrote: post #22
ncallaway wrote: post #19

The state needs to financially make whole persons who are wrongly arrested. There needs to be a standard set of damages that get paid out to someone who is in jail wrongfully. I would propose that the state owes you double the highest paid salary that you have earned in your career for the duration of your stay in prison. This is to both make a person whole for their missed earnings, and to repair the damages that ha…

> "a real financial burden on the state for making these kinds of errors" I agree with everything in your post except this; the state does not care whether it is burdened or not, it simply taxes the citizenry to cover these expenses. At least a portion of this compensation should come from the responsible parties if this type of problem is to be discouraged. Imagine that you are a prosecutor or police officer set on…

Not if the money comes from the department in which they work. If every fuck up by their co workers could potentially ruin their ability to prosecute anyone at all then they'd probably try a bit harder not to fuck up so much.

Re: I was falsely arrested

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Post by golergka »

throw_this_away wrote: post #89
golergka wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If that shot of the person's face is from a video of the incident that person is not him. Yes, but as far as we know, it's just a picture on the internet.

You should really examine why you automatically assume the author's account of his own lived experience is false.

I never assumed that. Would you please actually read my comments?

Re: I was falsely arrested

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Post by golergka »

throw_this_away wrote: post #85
golergka wrote: post #61

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> But according to the parent comment, guilty until proven innocent Where did I state something even remotely close to this?

You said "Everybody here in the comments seem to take the story on face value.". You're implying that we shouldn't take the story at face value OR that the author is being dishonest about his experience. Then you say, "Meanwhile, the only video attached to the post is pixelated to the highest degree, and you certainly can't see facial features on it. Am I missing something here?" A clear call for proof.

You are correct, this is call for proof.

It seems that in your worldview, one either believes the author, or calls him a liar. But in real life, the third option is actually more optimal in majority of cases. This third option is doubt.

Re: I was falsely arrested

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Post by ddebernardy »

justathrow2k wrote: post #14
x0x0 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

95% of white people maybe black people have no alternative to understanding how the world really works

This is an incredibly racist way to look at the issue.

Not sure why you're reading racism in that. Around a third of black men spend time behind bars in the US:

http://www.alternet.org/story/154587/1_in_3_black_men_go_to_...

Re: I was falsely arrested

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Post by chrismcb »

mcherm wrote: post #65

It sounds to me like there was only one mis-step in this story. The mis-identification was resolved quite quickly once the accused had a competent private lawyer. So it seems to me that this case is not an indictment of our legal system as a whole so much as it is an indictment of underfunded and/or incompetent public defenders. What if we tried funding the public defender's office with the same average amount of mon…

The mis=identification was not resolved quite quickly, and notice how they still think he did it. But why did it take a competent private lawyer to deal with the mis-identification?
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