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A decade into a project to digitize U.S. immigration forms, just one is online

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Re: A decade into a project to digitize U.S. immigration forms, just one is online

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"But only a fraction of applicants ever used that form before the agency took it offline, after officials decided to abandon the initial technology and development method and move toward a cloud-based system" When government agencies like this talk about a "cloud-based system", what do they actually mean?

I assume it means that they rent hardware rather than buying a mainframe from IBM. Remember, the project has been going on for ten years, so the hardware is probably quite out of date.

Re: A decade into a project to digitize U.S. immigration forms, just one is online

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The root problem is not government. The same thing happens in the private sector. Large corporations routinely spend gazillions on software projects that end up working poorly or not at all. Everyone who has worked in Corporate America knows this all too well. The root problem is not bureaucracy either. Companies like Amazon, Google, and Microsoft have fairly large bureaucracies yet they routinely successfully comple…

> The root problem is not government. The same thing happens in the private sector. Large corporations routinely spend gazillions on software projects that end up working poorly or not at all. Everyone who has worked in Corporate America knows this all too well. > The root problem is not bureaucracy either. Companies like Amazon, Google, and Microsoft have fairly large bureaucracies yet they routinely successfully co…

There isn't really a monopoly on governance, though. On the short term there is political alternance, on the long term there is the rise and fall of states.

Of course, the first one would matter a lot more if: a) people voted based on previous performance, not vague future promises; b) there were more than two options in competition.

As for the second. The second works quite well, but not a time scale that yet cares about well-designed websites... fail to figure out say steel alloys and gunpowder, though, and you'll see this competition in action... ;)

Re: A decade into a project to digitize U.S. immigration forms, just one is online

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I went through the green card process last year. From my experience, it is nearly impossible without a lawyer. I wonder how much of the delay can be attributed to lobbying from the immigration lawyers that profit from the complicated, paper based process.

I filed: * A permanent residency application based on my marriage. * An application to remove conditions on said permanent residency * An expedited naturalization application We didn't bother getting a lawyer: the paperwork was easy. The problem isn't that the paperwork is hard. The problem is that there is so much paperwork to file.

Marriage-based PR is probably the easiest and most straightforward PR path there is.

Re: A decade into a project to digitize U.S. immigration forms, just one is online

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the upside when a gov project works they are often willing to keep it for a very long time and killing a project does not mean the original need is not still there. So, often really old government boondoggles are often 2 or 3 separate projects which keep the name after the first one fails. > cannot simply stop paying taxes and go somewhere else Plenty of people leave the US every year. It's generally really easy t…

If you're a US citizen, it doesn't matter if you move anywhere in the world, the IRS will take part of your income regardless.

Isn't it only after a certain amount? $80-90k?

Re: A decade into a project to digitize U.S. immigration forms, just one is online

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I remember taking my wife for her medical exam as part of her green card process. What a joke! The doctor--who he has to select as someone on a small approved list--was basically retired and using his position on that list as a way to make extra money. I don't think he did a thing to examine her. He just chatted and told us stories about when he was fighting in Korea and accidentally stepped in a kimchi pot. Very nic…

Had the same experience during my visit. Some older Russian doctor who chatted with me for 15 minutes, telling me that America was ok, that green card medical visit were pretty much all she was doing now, 3 half-day a week and that was plenty for her to make good money. She pocketed the $600 and gave me the sealed envelop. I have no problem with not passing any cost to the American taxpayers (and even that could be d…

Honestly, I don't care if you create wealth for this country. Having a diverse population to interact with and bring their point of view to things is a net benefit to the whole society instead of cultural homogeneity.

Re: A decade into a project to digitize U.S. immigration forms, just one is online

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy." -- Oscar Wilde

"The most familiar quotations are the most likely to be misquoted...Some have settled down to false versions that have obscured the true ones. They have passed over from literature into speech." -- Carl Van Doren (maybe)

Any specifics on why the gp's quote was misguided?

Re: A decade into a project to digitize U.S. immigration forms, just one is online

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I've always found the biggest joke in these forms, among other federal forms, to be the OMB "paperwork reduction" statements. [1] Even airport landing customs cards have these. Why these make no sense: - They take up a good chunk of a page and consume both paper and the reader's time. - These forms aren't exactly optional, so I am going to spend time filling them out anyway. They would be easier to fill out if they w…

The worse problem is it also makes it difficult to change forms - or at least it creates the perception forms can't be reduced/simplified without 9+ months of process. *I work at USDS/SSA

Re: A decade into a project to digitize U.S. immigration forms, just one is online

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The root of the problem is really that instead of trying to figure out how to digitize immigration forms, we should be figuring out how to fill capacity within the country and not simply kick poor and underserved communities to the ditch and just cream people from other countries and societies where we are cherry picking off the best. I get it, that won't be a popular sentiment here because the hidden racism backed i…

I know a lot of brilliant people from other countries. My mother is an immigrant. You are the racist here. EDIT: Xenophobe.

Always with the predictable knee-jerk responses. I'm neither a racist nor a xenophobe. I don't hate people because of their origins or race, nor to I not like foreigners. You are surely not going to like hearing ths, but immigrants are essentially moochers on one hand, and traitors on the other. Moochers on both ends because if they were educated for essentially free in, e.g., Europe and come to the USA they both mooched off their source country and then they come to the USA to mooch off what the USA and Americans built. Traitors because they mooched off their country to get an education and are now putting their labor, knowledge, and skill to use for a different country or society instead of building up the country they came from and still hold on to even when they are in the USA.

The humongous forest that pro immigrant people can't see for all the trees is that immigration is a core driver and reason for many of not only America's problems, but also the lack of source countries from gaining any traction. All the way from sapping out pressure for social change by motivated people leaving for places where they can mooch over the fight that was already won by others, to extracting the skill and knowledge to do the thing that the do from their society. What pro immigration types don't quite get is that immigration to the USA is like kryptonite or more like a witch that sucks the life force out of the source countries and societies.

You may and probably confuse what I said with xenophobia and hatred and are angry because I am not saying your favorite thing, but reality is that I am right, whether you or others realize it. I'm fine with that, but it needs to be said. The point is not about "go back to where you came from" it's "why didn't you put your energy, drive, knowledge, and skill towards your own country and society and instead went to make the rich, richer and the powerful more powerful" Don't complain about America's actions and policies around the world if you are going to support our life force driven economic, political, and military engine.

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